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Making a Request to the community to upload pictures of musicians?Edit

Hello i want to create a music section in a article for very notable Ethiopian/Amharic musicians. I found more than enough pictures of male performers of different genre's/era's, but not enough of female performers pictures are uploaded even though there's probably just as many of articles.

Can i request the wiki community here/somewhere for the upload of pictures?

Pictures of oldies and deceased Asnaketch Worku and Bizunesh Bekele. Old and alive Emahoy Tsegué-Maryam Guèbrou.

Less old Gigi (singer), Abby Lakew and Tsedenia Gebremarkos. Some newer ones Betty G and Munit Mesfin.

For the two deceased it's (almost) impossible to figure out who owns the copyright and/or if there is any, based on google searches. Does someone has a better way?

I just need one of the 3 oldies, and one of the newer/less old. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 08:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria Welcome to the Teahouse. You might be very pleased to learn that, for deceased people, we do allow copyrighted images to be uploaded directly to Wikipedia (but not Wikimedia Commons) under a 'Non-Free content' basis (see WP:NFC) In particular, see point 10 of that page at WP:NFCI. Where a person is still alive, that is a very different matter. If you can find copyrighted images posted of living people on sites like Flickr, it can sometimes yield results if you approach the photographer directly and ask them to change the licencing of that specific image, or upload it themselves to Commons. I have used that method with wildlife images occasionally, and found some photographers only too happy to help, knowing that their work will be seen and used more widely. I hope this helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Nick Moyes thank you this could be very helpful! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Nick Moyes One more question, can i use a non-free file in this way or is this considered a gallery, and is that allowed? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Dawit S Gondaria To be honest: I really don’t know. You obviously wouldn’t be able to justify its use in any sandbox, but whether you could justify its use in a list article with images, I’m unsure. I suspect not. And I assume the WP:NFC page doesn’t specify anything? It might ‘’just’’ be permitted if it were purely there alongside others in one main list article to link to that person’s main article, but I think it best to avoid doing so, or be prepared to be told it can’t be used in that way, and only on their own article. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes i asked because of policy number 9 on WP:NFC it says Nogallery, questioning whether my idea is in a gallery form. I want to add it the Amhara people article, and create a music section there, the same way i did for the literature section. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 10:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Dawit S Gondaria Then I think the answer would be "No" - use a non-free image only in the article about that person or subject. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Flagging content for revision?Edit

Hi folks, I’ve been really interested to learn about how Wikipedia managed to morph from an open source information repository plagued with vandalism and poorly referenced articles to something infinitely better than the encyclopaedias I grew up with. For now though I’m concerned about disinformation and the effect it has on functioning democracies so I’m motivated to help in some way. I’d like help understanding 2 things.

1) When I’ve found a search is unsuccessful so have clicked ‘request this page’ but backed out before following through I’ve always wondered if there is a bot which collects those search terms and perhaps analyses for frequent topics. Is this the case?

2) I’ve got a lot to learn and I really don’t want to step on anyone’s toes so any etiquette tips regarding how to approach disinformation would be much appreciated. I’ve picked a complicated example deliberately so that I can get some nuanced responses. I’m hoping seasoned editors can share a bit about the way they apply logic when ensuring that a media outlet is accurately described on Wikipedia.

“Because the academic and social progress of my students was at stake, I followed the COVID-19 data closely from the beginning. And I found that school closures were irrational and counterproductive. According to the most comprehensive studies to date, COVID’s survival rate among children and adolescents appears to be around 99.995%.” I then looked at the reference link provided (WSJ) and then wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal

“(The Journal's) editorial board has promoted views that are at odds with the scientific consensus on climate change, acid rain, and ozone depletion, as well as on the health dangers of passive smoking, pesticides, and asbestos.[13]” [13]

There is an 11yo page for ‘tabletmag’ but I don’t feel it accurately reflects that content. I can see that submissions are accepted so it’s clear an editorial decision was made to publish these 4 articles. Even with very little training in formal logic I can spot a ‘call to authority’ at 50 paces but I am a complete novice about process and context so how hosts relate their own editorial practice in relation to disinformation will help me work out whether there is anything useful I can contribute here. Ideally I’d like a cue sheet of ‘if/then’ actions I can take when the Tsunami of disinformation falls upon us as it undoubtedly will when an election is called.

Thanks for any and all insight or messages related to this post. Please be kind. It has been a rough few years for everyone. EthicalAugur (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, EthicalAugur and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for your kind words at the beginning. When you talk about "submissions are accepted" and "an editorial decision was made to publish these 4 articles", it sounds as if you are thinking that Wikipedia has something like an editorial board: it doesn't. Decisions are made by a consensus of any and all volunteer editors who choose to be involved in them. Publishing an article is more formal than it used to be, and it will generally get looked at by at least a new page patroller; but often only by that one editor. Probably the majority of new articles now come throughy the articles for creation mechanism, and will be reviewed by at least one editor before they are accepted into the encyclopaedia; but editors who are autoconfirmed may create new articles directly. We also have many many older articles that are seriously deficent and would not now be accepted.
I see two complementary approaches to the issues you raise. One is to work on those specific articles, being BOLD, and/or discussing on their talk pages what needs doing. The other is to propose policies, or changes in policies: this is again achieved by consensus, and starts with a discussion at the village pump - or, if it affects only articles in a particular subject area, possibly in a WikiProject that covers that area. --ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Lots of difficult thoughts, but they can be distilled, I think, into two simpler ideas. (1) Wikipedia isn't here to fight misinformation, or find the truth. It's here to report what other people say is the truth; and we rely on them, not ourselves, to fight misinformation. We try to avoid fringe conspiracy theories, and we evaluate our sources, but that's about our limit. (2) Wikipedia's strength against misinformation comes from the diversity and quantity of people who edit its articles. If one person is hoodwinked by a bad source, or one person is biased, they will be balanced by others who recognise the source is bad, or who have a different bias. The same idea applies to our sources. We rely on the idea that even if someone tries to disseminate misinformation, it is unlikely they will fool every reliable newspaper and author that has access to a printing press or the internet. Thank you for the question; it's good that we're made to think about such things. Elemimele (talk) 16:39, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Two comments:
  1. The list of "requested" pages is pretty much a graveyard. (I once decided to pull a request out of the list and try to make an article. I chose a request which, unlike almost all the others, supplied some references. I found that the references were to interviews with the subject, and so did not demonstrate notability. I tried to find better references, failed, and gave up.)
  2. The "eg" passage you quote above seems clueless. They don't close schools because the pupils might catch Covid and die, they close them because the pupils might catch Covid and transmit it to more vulnerable people. Maproom (talk) 16:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
It is worth noting that editors here rely on consensus and we've developed a pretty comprehensive list of sources we consider are reliable (or not). See WP:RSPS for the summary. Also, for medical claims we have much higher level of source requirements, summarised in the policy at WP:MEDRS — an article well worth reading. If you look at the edit history of recently-updated articles on pharmaceuticals, for example molnupiravir, you'll see that quite a few entries are removals of material that don't meet that standard. Hence, I don't think that the WSJ article could ever be used as the sole source for that claim about children. If the claim was to stand in a WP article, I would hope the reference would be to a MEDRS-compliant source (e.g. a review article in a refereed scientific journal). You can see the sort of internal discussion that goes on on COVID-related topics if you look at Talk:Ivermectin and its archives. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all very much for taking the time to respond. I’ll take some time to do the reading and get back to you if I get stuck. I’m clueless regarding tagging and response conventions so will see how the bots parse this before even attempting. NB my comments about submissions and editorial process relate only to the media site ‘tabletmag’ and definitely not to Wikipedia itself. I would like this to be clear from the outset. Can anyone fast track me regarding best practice guidelines for adding an NB: or EDIT: to my original post? EthicalAugur (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


Hi there, I dont like the way the template quotebox looks and im looking for a different thing like it or a different way to quote it, are there any? Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Well, Template:Quotation templates lists some alternatives, but most of them should be used sparingly, if at all, in actual articles—a simple {{Blockquote}} is what's most often suitable in articles. What do you want to use the quotation for? Deor (talk) 22:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
well @Deor: in the article Woody (Toy Story) in the characteristics section the quote box just looks bad and i was wondering if there were better ones because I see different ways people put quotes on other articles. Kaleeb18 (talk) 03:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Kaleeb18: I agree that the full-width quote box there looks clunky, since the "full-widthness" of the box makes it appear below the image of Hanks, at a random place in the middle of the section text. But that might best be fixed by adding some suitable parameters the quote-box template. Have a look at the quote boxes (with a yellowish background) in the Ezra Pound article, and note the parameters that were used to control their width and placement. (And see the documentation of Template:Quote box for a full list of possible parameters.) Mightn't you do something similar in the Woody article? Deor (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Deor: Thank you, I think the quotebox looks much better now.Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


How do i use userboxes? I am struggling positioning there a way to do that? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

You can use a table to force them to sit where you want them to; what way is it you'd like them to display? ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 00:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I want to display then on the right and make them go down. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, try using the following code and just add each box in a new line as shown:
{| align="right" 
|{{first userbox}}
|{{second userbox}}
|{{third userbox}}

That should create an invisible table forcing its contents into right alignment, the boxes will then stack under each other to the right. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 01:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@TheAlienMan2002: You could also use {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}} if you like. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you!! TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 10:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Reinstating a deleted pageEdit

An article / wiki page on Sarala Roy was recently removed due to a citation issue. How can I find that article, fix the citation, and put it back in? Please help, thank you. Chetanroy (talk) 05:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sarala Roy wasn't removed for a "citation issue" it was removed as a copyright violation. We could only restore it if we receive permission from the copyright holder via VRT. Anyone is allowed to write a new version though. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


Hello all. How can I retrieve my deleted draft article? It was marked speed delete. Munyua44 (talk) 06:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Munyua44, why would you want to retrieve Draft:Jean M. Nelson? I mean, what's your purpose? Espresso Addict deleted it as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion"; looking at it, I'd say that this description fits it perfectly. -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Munyua44 That’s unlikely to happen, especially as the single sentence currently on your own userpage suggests you have great difficulty writing anything non-hyperbolic. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
From IMBd "Jean M. Nelson is one of the most creative personalities in the music and film industry." he sounds like an accomplished person, but a quick search did not uncover any reliable source references with content written about him. IMBd, Instagram, SoundCloud, Facebook, etc., do not convey notability. David notMD (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Junk like that is precisely why IMDb is not a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 17:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Munyua44: I've had another look and I'm not minded to restore. If you want to formally contest my decision, then you can try Wikipedia:Deletion review. However, you would honestly be better advised to start again, trying to write neutrally in your own words, and including only things that are stated in reliable sources, such as magazine or newspaper articles. Note that IMDb is not considered sufficiently reliable. Good luck! Espresso Addict (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Question re:Wikipedia:Protection policy#extendedEdit

How do I add an essential resource textbook to a page that has the 'extended Protection Policy'? Specifically referring to these pages: Jordanian annexation of the West Bank [[Israeli War#Further reading]] Beni92 (talk) 08:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Beni92 (talk) 08:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Beni92 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please offer your proposed edits on the article talk pages (Talk:Jordanian annexation of the West Bank) as edit requests(click for instructions). Also please be aware that editing about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict carries with it some special rules, I will post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Make an extended confirmed edit request at the talk page with this template:
{{edit extended-protected}}
Followed by the reason. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

What does the "im" mean in "uw-(whatever)4im"?Edit

I can't seem to get the answer anywhere. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

AssumeGoodWraith This page is for questions about editing or using Wikipedia. What is the context? Is this something you've seen in a Wikipedia article? Which one?--Shantavira|feed me 09:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Shantavira: It's just a random thought. Is the teahouse the wrong place for this? – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 09:10, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The context is what the im means in user warning templates like Template:Uw-vandalism4im and Template:Uw-delete4im (and how is it different to Template:Uw-vandalism4)? I don't know the answer, but hopefully someone else does. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
I've always read it as "Immediate". These templates are for the use case of going for a final warning immediately instead of escalating lesser warnings. —Kusma (talk) 09:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Kusma He's talking about user warning templates. Firestar464 (talk) 09:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
So am I. —Kusma (talk) 09:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@AssumeGoodWraith The “im” means “immediate”. There are occasions (IP hopping/socks/egregious activity) where it is felt unnecessary to give a stepped series of increasingly stern warnings, but to give a forceful one immediately to the offender. See this deletion discussion from 2012. As a Twinkle user, I can’t say that I pay huge attention to the actual template names being deployed, but assume it is delivering the most appropriate one for any given situation. I find ‘Preview’ quite valuable to check. I hope that helps? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:38, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
"immediate" was the common guess at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 16#Question about titles but nobody was sure. 4im has been copied since Template:Test4im, created in 2005 by Jtdirl who apparently never explained it. If it didn't have such a plausible meaning then maybe people wouldn't have kept using it so "immediate" may be the de facto meaning no matter what Jtdirl originally thought. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) article have a logo under fair use policy, can I use this logo in India national cricket team article, the team also use same logo on helmet and on jercy. If their is no objection to use this logo on article, then why some editors removed this logo from Indian cricket team's article after I included it there ?. Newton Euro (talk) 10:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I see that you have had an explanation at User talk:Newton Euro#BCCI logo. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

publishing a new pageEdit

Hi, I recently uploaded my first page - on the Children's Media Conference in the UK

Wondering if someone would be able to take a look at it and tell me if it's ok? It's my first time writing for Wiki and I'm still a bit unsure of the submissions and review process. I've taken care to make the article impartial and to provide proper references. Appreciate another pair of eyes! Thank you Evadne elenchan (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Evadne elenchan and welcome to the Teahouse. One thing that immediately strikes me in your draft is that you have re-used some references multiple times (e.g. 1/15, 12/13, 18/19). These need to be combined using WP:Refname. There is a beginners guide at WP:ERB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you Mike Turnbull I have done that now! Let me know anything else that jumps out at you. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evadne elenchan (talkcontribs) 21:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft Jitsu SquadEdit

My draft was rejected. What more do I need to do for it not to need rejected? The message for it being rejected was convoluted and it's not telling me straightforward what's needed. Please assist. Sonicteam2k7 (talk) 11:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sonicteam2k7, your draft Draft:Jitsu Squad (Video Game) was not rejected; it was declined. The game hasn't yet even appeared. Wait for it to appear and to be commented on in reliable sources. Then use those reliable sources to resume your work on the draft. -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, Thanks for the follow up. I'm not sure how this works as there have been entries for even canceled games. This game's demo is playable, there's footage all over twitch and YouTube, there's a steam entry with a downloadable demo. Can a game be entered before release? Also what would be considered a notable source, I posted the developers website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonicteam2k7 (talkcontribs) 12:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sonicteam2k7. The issue is almost entirely to do with Notability, which mostly means, "Has enough been published about it, in reliable places, by people unconnected with the game and its development, to ground an article?" - remembering that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. In rare cases a game (or a film or TV series) is discussed enough in print before its release that an article is possible; but not usually: see WP:TOOSOON --ColinFine (talk) 13:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the information everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonicteam2k7 (talkcontribs) 14:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


How do you make articles? (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Articles are allowed only on subjects which meet Wikipedia's definition of notability. For further information, if you are satisfied that your intended subject satisfies that definition, see the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. (talk) 14:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Strongly recommend creating a Wikipedia account before attempting to draft/create an article. Having an account makes communication amoung editors much easier. David notMD (talk) 17:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

page notabilityEdit

Hello Sir, I am excited to be part of the wikipedia family of editors. I have just started editing. I wish to know if there is a page of a film which is not released or completed yet can there be a page on it? There are no proper citations which show its notability or success. What should one do ? I noticed about a page which has not much significance. Whom should I point it out to ?or let it be for expert editors to work on it.Jumboweb (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Jumboweb (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Jumboweb Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The notability criteria for films is written at WP:NFILM. Generally, a film must be released to be notable, and any article about it must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the film. If you have no sources, the film cannot be on Wikipedia.
I gather that you have an association with this film, please review conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I am aware that wikipedia is very strict in its rules hence asked a question. I am not in anyway associated with the film. But noticed there are many such pages floated on films which have not been released or don't really fit the criteria of notability but still are on wikipedia. one such example is page Tauba Tera Jalwa. Thus was curious to know what happens to such pages.Jumboweb (talk) 18:54, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Jumboweb I don't know the ins and outs of the notability of films, but there are plenty of articles on Wikipedia that should be deleted, but no one has gotten around to deleting them yet -- and it's possible that this is one of them. You might want to ask at WT:FILM if this qualifies for an article. If it doesn't, you could nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sure Sir , Thank you. Will refer to the topics you suggestedJumboweb (talk) 07:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

How to use TemplatesEdit

Hello! I was wonering how templates work, as I would like to make basic articles stand out a litle bit. Would you please explain?

Thank you all! NLKD (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP and welcome to the Teahouse! It would depend on what template you're wanting to use as different templates work (and are used) differently. SOme templates you simply just place on the page and it works, others you have to add specific parameters (the stuff you add after a pipe (|), i.e |date=2021). I'm going to take a guess that you're wanting to use an infobox template, and if so then MOS:IBX might be a good read. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
See also Help:A quick guide to templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Edit countEdit

Hello, I realized on my IPad it say I have made 470, but on my laptop it says I have like 870. Does my laptop count the number of edits I’ve mad on both my laptop and IPad or just my laptop? I also assume the IPad just counts the number of edits I’ve made on the IPad. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: You have approximately 900 edits in total, and about 470 of those are to main (article) space. See your edit count. Perhaps you use a mobile skin on the iPad and a Desktop skin on the laptop that have different assumptions on what you'd like to see, and one of them gives you only article edits, the other all edits. —Kusma (talk) 15:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Any edit count will be based on which account was used and not which device or browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Oh gotcha and thank you. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Kaleeb18, you might also be interested in Special:Homepage. The "Your impact" panel shows how many people have been viewing articles you edited recently. ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 09:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Pelagic: I’ve seen that before like right now it like 950,000 people have seen my edits, but it’s been like 2 mil. before. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Pelagic: Pinging them since you accidentally linked to the disambig page for ping instead of using the template ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting the Draft:Karlheinz KrauthEdit

Hi dear all, unfortunatly the submission for my draft about Prof.Karlheinz Krauth, a full Prof. of Uni Stuttgart ( has been declined on 7 November 2021. Meanwhile I came up with some additional references and I checked if my subject does follow the given criteria of WP:NACADEMIC.

My conclusion is that, as far as I am aware, Prof. Krauth's curriculum vitae incorporates/fulfils the following criteria:

1a) He is listed in scopus with 15 documents in influential journals e.g. Water Science and Technology and Water Research (ref. 18 and 19).
1b) Regarding significant new concepts: He was the holder of a patent, that was very influential in the field of wastewater treatment (ref. 21). Moreover, with his doctoral thesis, he laid the foundation for the construction of retention tanks in combined sewer systems – a now widely used method to prevent against flooding (ref.10, ref.12).
1f) + 5): Krauth was a full Professor of the department of civil engineering at the Institute for Sanitary Engineering, Water Quality and Solid Waste Management, University of Stuttgart (, He had an education in civil engineering, a major discipline (ref. 4,6,7,8).
2) Prestigious academic awards: Up to my knowledge the Karl Imhoff Award (1971), the Federal Cross of Merit of the Republic of Germany (1995) and the Max Prüss Medal of the DWA (2004) are regarded as prestigious academic awards at least in German-speaking countries. I have listed and linked all three ( as well as - his obituary, in which all his awards are mentioned).
6) Major post: Prof. Krauth was speaker of the ATV (today DWA (,_Abwasser_und_Abfall), a nonprofit organization and knowledge hub for the water sector in Germany, comparable to IWA ( main committee "Gewässerschutz und Abwasserreinigung" from 1987 to 1999. This is referenced in ref. 16 and 17.
7) Substantial impact outside academia: Prof. Krauth initiated and organized training-courses for the operating personnel of wastewater treatment plants. I think this is a very important and influential work to improve and advance water protection. Ref 25 provides information on his activities in this area.

So, I see seven of the required criteria as fulfilled and therefore would now regard the provided data as sufficient to allow an entry about Prof. Krauth to wikipedia. Thank you for help and your reasoned opinion on whether I am correct or references are still missing and in what way they should be completed. Hager Irene (talk) 16:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Hager Irene (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Hager Irene. Your updated draft may well be accepted now you have added the extra information — use the re-submit button when you're ready. However, I note that in the Honours and Awards section you have included external links to websites for the awards. This is rarely allowed in the body of an article (see WP:EL). You should instead make each external link into a reference which readers could use to verify that Krauth actually won the awards stated. It is OK to Wikilink the name of the award to an article about that award, if one exists. I note, for example that there is an article on Karl Imhoff but not the award itself. It would also help if you used short quotations in English from some of the references, so readers could briefly see what the references said. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Mike Turnbull Hi, thank you for your help and the information. I'll resubmit when I have completed the changes. Hager Irene (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Hager Irene I would also recommend pasting what you wrote above at the top of your draft, so that the reviewer can see it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer QuestionEdit

Do I have to have 500 edits or more to become a new pages reviewer? I only have about 210, but want to become a new pages reviewer to help with Wikipedia. HelixxUnderscore (talk) 18:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello HelixxUnderscore and welcome to the Teahouse. Generally speaking, 500 edits in mainspace is needed, yes. It's more of a guideline and not an exact rule; however, I've found through experience that it's much better not to rush into things. I would try doing some new work at Special:NewPages for a while; you'll come up to 500 in time. It also requires experience etc; it's better to get into things bit by bit, until you have more experience. It's great that you want to help out also; keep it up! Cheers, Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 19:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Rubbish computer, but just one more thing, what type of stuff can I do at Special:NewPages? HelixxUnderscore (talk) 16:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi HelixxUnderscore, sorry for the delayed response, was very busy with college work. There's videos and information at Wikipedia:New pages patrol which go over it in more detail. There's lots that can be done, anything from spelling and grammar issues, to categorising pages, to keeping out spam and vandalism. I think that page covers all the main activities. Cheers, Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 22:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Generalized on English language vs Specialized on Foreign LanguageEdit

Hi all. I'm writing an article on an individual who was born in a Cossack family. Generally Cossacks are interpreted to be of Ukrainian or Russian descent, however this individual was not Slavic but of Buryat(Mongolian) descent. There is an article on Buryat Cossacks on the Russian language wiki(this does not exist on the English wikipedia) but this would create a red link and I am trying to keep red links to a minimum. On the other hand I could add the English language wikilink on Cossacks but this could create confusion about things such as his nationality. What is the ideal thing to do here? Many thanks. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jaguarnik. There is an English language article about the Buryats. Link to that as well. Cullen328 (talk) 19:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
I've already linked to the Buryats in his nationality and description but I mean in his early life. I say "he was born to a Buryat Cossack family" and that's where my dilemma is.Jaguarnik (talk) 19:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Jaguarnik, There is nothing wrong with creating redlinks, but you could say "Buryat Cossack" or you could link to the Russian article. Zoozaz1 (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks all for the help.Jaguarnik (talk) 20:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
To expand on Zoozaz1's answer, Jaguarnik, the benefit of including red links is that it encourages other editors to consider creating an article about the subject. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Jaguarnik, you can use {{ill}} to create a redlink plus a link to ruwiki: Buryat Cossacks [ru] ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 12:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I am trying to create a page for Kylan Guerra.Edit

He is a professional Basketball player who plays overseas. I tried to mimic other pages of players in the same field but keep getting my submission rejected. Apparently, I am having trouble with the references. Can you help? (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@User: By rejected, do you mean on Wikipedia:Articles for creation? If you're having trouble with references, you should cite information about him from information sources, such as news articles and interviews. --Xland44 (talk) 20:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
  Courtesy link: Draft:Kylan Guerra, created and most recently edited by Ginger Rocky. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
User also removed AFC templates from the same page. I have not added them back as I'm unsure if that would be appropriate or not. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:32, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
IP editor, you have not formatted your references properly. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Blaze The Wolf: I restored the AfC templates, as they contain helpful info for the draft author and future reviewers. GoingBatty (talk) 05:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


is there any certain goals or anything that can make you host of the teahouse? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002 Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Yes, all Teahouse hosts need to be experienced at editing Wikipedia and also to be able to welcome and communicate in a friendly and effective manner to new users like yourself who might be seeking guidance or advice. Whilst anyone who knows the right answer to give a new user may respond to any question posted here, we only expect editors to actually sign themselves up as a Host if they have been active on Wikipedia for a minimum of 30 days and have made around 500 mainspace edits. As you will have seen, our requirements are listed as follows:
»An editor who understands how Wikipedia works
»Helpful to new people, with a clear and friendly manner
»Familiar with the Teahouse project
»Someone who has been here for at least 30 days and has made around 500 mainspace edits
»Happy to follow our simple 'host expectations'
I hope this gives you the answer you were seeking. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there a template that says [How?] or [How so?]?Edit

To add next to a statement so that it can be explained? I don't know what it's called (weasel words?). I've only seen [By whom?] or [When?], but never seen [How?]. Lupine453 (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lupine453, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, you might be looking for this; [how?] try copying this {{how}}. That should do the trick. Celestina007 (talk) 20:16, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Lupine453 (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Lupine453 I'm late on parade again, but for a full list of these tags please see Template:Inline cleanup tags - rather annoyingly, some tags have a ? and some don't - so they are not all intuitive and I always use print preview to check (I know I should anyway!) - Arjayay (talk) 15:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Arjayay, next time you type a tag and it comes out red on preview, perhaps you should save it as is, click the redlink and redirect it to the blue one you were going for. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:04, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Arjayay, Oh good to know. Thank you. Lupine453 (talk) 17:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing an Academic-written review entryEdit

Hi, what are the guidelines for dual-publication entries - specifically those that use the "Academic-written review" template? Are these types of entries meant to be left as is so that they continue to be line with the corresponding journal article, or can those types of entries be edited the same as any other Wikipedia article? Thank you. CNYLibrarian (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@CNYLibrarian could you give us an example of such an article please. I've been a regular editor since 2007 but I have no idea what you're asking about. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Dodger67 Thank you for your reply! There are several, the one I am interested in editing is Folliculin. A list of all of them also exists. This is the template info. CNYLibrarian (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
CNYLibrarian, those articles will continue to be edited. The reviewed version is published in the journal. The article could be re-reviewed and published again if there are significant changes. What journal are you expecting to publish in? The article has already had 28 editors. How will they be credited in the publication? StarryGrandma (talk) 01:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@StarryGrandma Thank you for answering my question, it's greatly appreciated. I am not looking to publish a journal article, but would like to update the Wikipedia entry with info from additional recent research articles. Since it was the first dual-publication article I've run across in Wikipedia, I wanted to be sure that there weren't editing guidelines that I failed to locate and should know about. Thanks again! CNYLibrarian (talk) 03:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi CNYLibrarian! I'm not aware of any guidelines, but like StarryGrandma I expect the articles would continue to be edited in the normal manner. I'd incline to using the same caution as with a "Good Article". ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 12:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, everyone!! CNYLibrarian (talk) 14:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Image published under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0Edit

Does an image/artwork from 1585 contained in a book which is published under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 belong to public domain? Can it be uploaded to wikimedia commons? I am talking about this image which I have uploaded to English Wikipedia under fair use clause but now I discover that the entire book that contains this artwork is published under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. Can I transfer this to commons? If yes, with what rationale? Thanks in advance. Mosesheron II (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Any image from 1585 is definitely in public domain now regardless where it is currently published. Ruslik_Zero 21:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC
Hello, Mosesheron II. I agree that any image that old is definitely in the public domain. As for the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 license, that allows for non-commercial re-use only, and so it is not compatible with Wikipedia's licensing, which allows re-use for any purposes including commercial use. Cullen328 (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Mosesheron II! For the gory details, see c:Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag and c:Commons:Reuse of PD-Art photographs. ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 13:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you all. Now I know the essence of Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. Transferred it to the commons. Mosesheron II (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Naming of Article: Given name, or Known name?Edit

Hi, I've created and have been contributing to the page Jim Swan. His given name is James S. Swan, however within the industry he worked in he was known as Jim Swan. The latter is also what he went by professionally on his LinkedIn, for example, and is what most articles refer to him as. Is it alright that the page is titled by his professional and known name rather than the one he was born with? (the page itself mentions both in the first sentence, this question is specifically regarding the titling of the article)

Thanks for answering!Xland44 (talk) 20:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Xland44, hello and welcome the Teahouse, please use the name he is predominantly know for(his most popular name) when deciding on an article title. See WP:COMMMONNAME. Celestina007 (talk) 20:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

How can I add a logo to a page -had to remove old one and not sure how to replace with new one page ActianEdit

 Vgoetz (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vgoetz. Please read Wikipedia:Logos which should be helpful. Cullen328 (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Vgoetz: when you say "had to" - are you being paid to change this somewhat over-promotional article? If so, you must declare your connection, and the guidelines for doing so can be found at WP:PAID. Thank you.
Ah - I now see that you are probably employed by this company, and that other senior staff members have also been doing that in the past. Please tell them to stop, and to make an WP:EDITREQUEST on the article's talk page in future. You do not WP:OWN the contents on that page, or control it. Undeclared paid editors are not allowed to edit articles, and will be blocked. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I’m trying to get involved any advice on steps to take is appreciatedEdit (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@ Hello and welcome to the Teahouse please before anything, see WP:ADVENTURE, WP:TUTORIAL & WP:CTW. Celestina007 (talk) 20:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Page with many clear COI/Paid Editing violations- delete or revise?Edit

Hi everyone,

During some browsing today, I came across the page TRUSTcollective. The editing history shows many edits by people with "trust collective" in the username, which implies to me paid editing, but there is no disclosure. Furthermore, many of the cited sources are articles by Adam Fine, who is listed as the company's founder.

My question is, does this make the page worthy of nominating for deletion, or should I just flag it for coi/paid editing violations? I'm not sure how much of the page can be saved and whether or not it meets notability requirements when you remove the primary source article sources. If the best option is to clean up the page, can sources written by the company founder be used, or do they need to be removed?

I would appreciate some advice or guidance on the issue. Apathyash (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for alerting people to this atrocity, Apathyash. It has already lost much of the puffery on display last month, but it still contains bullshit, such as the final sentence: TRUST created a multi-tiered communications strategy that raised global awareness of Walsh and her new venture. Let's continue taking out the trash. -- Hoary (talk) 23:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Probably beating someone when they are down, but two editors cut many, many refs, leaving in part, an unreferenced list of notable clients. I just cut all of that as unreferenced. David notMD (talk) 04:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

How do you remove citations?Edit

How do you remove citations? Trying to remove an inline citation and the visual editor won't let me. Also can't select specific citations from the list at bottom of page. Pernicious.Editor (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pernicious.Editor: Welcome to the Teahouse. When using the visual editor, you have to find the citation in the article text, select it, then press ← Backspace or Del. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes - removing a reference from where it is in the text of the article removes it from the Reference section and renumbers all subsequent refs. If you intend to remove a ref, does that leave text unsupported by a ref? Do you intend to also remove the text? Why? Provide a good explanation for the Edit summary, or possible the next editor will revert your action. David notMD (talk) 01:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Architecture firmEdit

I could really use some assistance in how to correct my page so that it is accepted/more acceptable. The page represents an architecture firm that has been active in Wichita for more than 60 years. In creating the content, I used the existing Wikipedia pages of JE Dunn Construction (a construction company we’ve worked closely with), Proudfoot & Bird Architects (a long history of identifiable architecture throughout the mid-west), and DLR Group (another entity we’ve worked with) as a guide of what to do and what not to do. My first draft was fairly straightforward in content, following the styles of the pages listed above. JE Dunn lists the cities they are located in, with Wikipedia links to those cities. Proudfoot and Bird links to pages that don’t actually exist, which I obviously avoided doing. DLR’s page is extensively market driven, so I did not lean too far on copying their style. My second draft included more information and many more links and references, yet it was again refused. I can supply news articles spanning those 60+ years, and even though the articles don’t go on in depth about SJCF (more about the projects than about the architectural firm), there are 60+ years of coverage by external sources. I did link to the SJCF website as a courtesy external link, but I wanted to keep all marketing speak from the page, keeping with the Wikipedia guidelines. I also made sure to note my position as being paid to create the content on my talk page. I feel that I have done a thorough job on my page and have worked to follow the rules and guidelines. I am unsure how to proceed. Any and all assistance would be appreciated. WikiLDMR (talk) 22:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

  Courtesy link: Draft:SJCF Architecture   Maproom (talk) 23:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Here is my recommendation (I don't expect you to follow it, inexperienced editors never do):
  • Discard what you have written. The considerable time you must have spent typing it in is a sunk cost.
  • Find several reliable independent published sources that discuss the firm in depth. Don't use anything written by the firm, or based on its press releases - they won't be independent. Don't use anything that just discusses the work it has done - it's the firm itself that we want to know about. Don't use anything based on an interview with a member of the firm - that won't be independent.
  • Rewrite your draft from scratch, basing it entirely on what those sources say. Maproom (talk) 23:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@WikiLDMR As well as welcoming you to the Teahouse, could I add to what @Maproom has wisely told you by pointing you towards WP:NCORP - a key hurdle about notability that every article about a company needs to be able to attain? Thank you for declaring your WP:PAID involvement with this organisation. As an volunteer myself, I don't actually see why I should spend a lot of time helping someone who is being paid to edit an article to improve it. I tend to expect them to know the basics of editing Wikipedia already, or not to attempt the task until they've committed to mastering the basics. I don't mean to be rude to you, but that's just how I see it, sorry. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Your draft lists many projects which are the subjects of Wikipedia articles, but there is no information there that SJCF was the architect firm. Cut the list to just a few, with refs that present more than just a name-mention of the firm. David notMD (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
WikiLDMR (talk) I quickly looked over your article draft, and my take on it is "less is more". You have convinced me that SJCF Architecture has designed buildings, but did not convince me that the firm is notable. Every building – even a tiny storage shed built by an amateur in his back yard – was "designed" by someone. Why should anyone be interested in reading about SJCF Architecture? I glanced through your long list of completed projects, and thought I'd look at some examples of the firm's work. I clicked on "Pizza Hut Headquarters" to see what the headquarters looked like, and was sent to the Pizza Hut Wikipedia article. No mention of the headquarters. "Unified School District 259" – which has 8 references after it – is about the school district, with nothing about what a building looks like. "Kansas Joint and Spine Institute" takes me to the Institute's website, which would be useful if I wanted a medical appointment. Get rid of all of those listings.
Don't worry, all is not lost. Just start again, and write a small article about notable projects. The Wichita Public Library is on the National Historical Register. Tell me more, and show me a picture. Are there newspaper or magazine articles about that building? I want to know what others wrote about that library building, and want to see those references. Has anyone (other than SJCF Architecture) written about the design of the museum buildings? Has anyone with the firm won awards, or been praised for safety features included in public building designs? If so, tell me about it. Give a brief gist about lots of schools, parking garages, and medical facilities being designed, and give just a couple of good references about them, written by someone with no connection to the firm. And tell about notable buildings. National Historical Register buildings. Buildings that other architectural firms look at and say – "that's an important building". Tell me about important architects. Ones that are deemed important in the architectural world. Tell me why SJCF Architecture is notable.
Don't overwhelm the poor volunteer review with a hundred references that don't tell anything important. (I read one article about a school district needing to save money by using old furniture.) Write 6 or 8 paragraphs about notable information. Give 6 or 8 references that really tell about the firm, and not just mention the name in passing. Less is more, when less is the good stuff. Gather up good research books and articles, and find those National Historical Register documents. Then write a good short draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:23, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

WikiLDMR The three articles you mentioned as models for your draft are horrible articles that needed massive cuts (really? a list of branch office cities? a list of acquisitions?), and potentially should be nomintation for deletion. Architects should know that less is more. David notMD (talk) 03:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I got adopted for the Adopt-A-User programEdit

Hello, I got adopted by someone in the Adopt-A-User program. What do I do next? TappyTurtle13 (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Keep your fingers crossed. Your would-be adopter probably means well, but announced the adoption not only on your talk page (as expected) but also atop your user page -- which is odd, to put it mildly. Anyway, the matter is between them and you. Hoary (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@TappyTurtle13 Welcome to the Teahouse. Oh dear, I don't quite know how to break this to you. The offer was made to you a year ago by an editor who didn't even know how to sign his post, and who at that time had only ever made 120 edits. And you have only noticed their post a year later? That is not a recipe for success.
Look, this is only my personal opinion, but the Adoption scheme is only really suited to help committed editors who are relatively new but already know the basics of editing, and now want to engage on an intensive, one-to-one level with an experience editor who is willing to put the time in to assist them. It is not suited either to brand new editors seeking help, nor is it a place for fairly inexperienced editors to pretend they know the ins and outs of Wikipedia and may well simply mislead others. Please don't take this the wrong way, but 'Adoption' involves a real commitment of time and effort from both parties, so for that reason I would never offer to adopt a complete newcomer such as yourself.
That said, I and many others are happy to help you and others here at the Teahouse with individual questions you may have. So, if you need help or guidance, just ask here, and forget adoption until you have learned the basics and know you're really willing to commit wholesale to enhancing your editing skills. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Alright I got it, thank you! Sorry if I was kinda dumb for doing that... TappyTurtle13 (talk) 23:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@TappyTurtle13 Not your fault at all, my friend. But we're always here for you, when you need us. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

question about the notability of politiciansEdit

Hello, friends! Once upon a time, I was a Wikipedia administrator. But it's been quite a long time, and I'm afraid I don't know much about what's going on these days.

Question: What are Wikipedia's guidelines on the notability of local politicians? Is a local city elected official "notable" enough?

Thanks! Fang Aili talk 23:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Fang Aili: See WP:NPOL. Local politicians are notable if they have significant press coverage. RudolfRed (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

As of current notability guidelines, being a local city elected official alone is not enough to be considered notable. This is per WP:POLITICIAN, which states that:

Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.

However, the policy also says "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage are notable. So, ultimately, it depends. As most things do on Wikipedia XD ––FormalDude   talk 23:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Fang Aili talk 23:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Removal of Legal IssueEdit

I added a summary of a product's intellectual property theft (documented), and someone removed it. How can I stop that from happening again? 2600:1700:7261:5680:88E3:C510:E9A3:EEAC (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

What kind of documents were these, how did you present this documentation, and what reason was given for removing the material? Simplest would be if you'd specify the article, and then people here could take a look. -- Hoary (talk) 00:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
This seems to be about GPT-3; Kleinpecan seems to be the 'someone' mentioned. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 01:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Proper place is Talk page of GPT-3, with invitation to Kleinpecan. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


I have an anecdote someone told me, over fifty years ago. I know of no backup source in which it is documented, and I'm wondering whether the anecdote will, in effect, die with me. I doubt that it's acceptable in the Wikipedia article that it pertains to, but is there some other, general repository for recording anecdotes?

Realizing that if I simply added it to the article, it would be deleted, I wrote instead on the talk page. But it was removed from there. The reviewer kindly recommended the Teahouse, hence this post.

And to give you an idea about what kind of anecdote this is: here's what I put on the Talk page:

Garsdale station is a mile or two away from the village of Garsdale proper. Folklore has it that someone asked why it was so far. The answer as I remember it, in northern dialect, "Happen they built it near the railway." I don't know if the wording is exact, and have no source, but if someone can verify it, perhaps this anecdote can be included.2603:6010:4E42:500:30CF:D92B:C7CE:93E2 (talk) 00:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Unpublished anecdotes are not permitted on Wikipedia because of the policy No original research. All Wikipedia content must summarize what reliable published sources say about the topic, and must be verifiable. Article talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article, not for sharing anecdotes. Cullen328 (talk) 01:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Looking at the map, it's pretty obvious that the railway had to be built to go around Turner Hill and continue following the valley.--Shantavira|feed me 08:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Seeking advice on improving a new article that has been flagged for deletionEdit

Hi, I've found helpful explanations on this forum relating to article deletion but I'm seeking more guidance. I recently started an article for a living musician that is well-known and well-respected in the folk scene in my state but whose career has primarily been more national - having collaborated or performed with many musicians (who have their own wikipedia articles) in multiple genres (folk, classical, one pop group). She's been a featured guest performer for ensembles, etc, and performs with her own musical group or solo. So I don't think the problem is that she isn't notable enough for wikipedia given the criteria I see at WP:singers, the problem is me. Apparently I don't have enough experience to write an acceptable article (I had assumed more experienced editors would contribute, but first I have to establish notability so the page isn't deleted). I did a bunch of basic wikipedia tutorials and read all the beginner and basic documentation awhile back so I know a lot of the basics for articles that aren't about people. Before starting this article I reviewed WP biographies of living persons to understand what is and isn't allowed. So I followed wikipedia's motto "be bold" (i.e. don't wait to make something perfect / complete) with the assumption that other editors would help build it or at least put the tags for citation needed, etc. However, the article itself was immediately tagged for deletion because that reviewer thought it was promo material for a non-notable musician. So I'm trying to improve the article with more cited sources but every time I try to add content to substantiate notability, the reviewer tells me I'm violating wikipedias soapbox/promo policy. I read WP policy that coverage in a newspaper can't be primarily a concert announcement, but has to be more substantial, so I found a long interview from a major newspaper that substantiated basic facts but I'm told interviews can't be used. Part of the problem I'm finding is that articles and venue websites or concert programs I find for sources often include the same factual / performance info that artists share on their own websites, making it hard to find independent sources to substantiate those facts. I look at other musicians articles on wikipedia of similar stature (or less) and it seems like they are using the same kinds of sources I'm turning to and citing. Since my searches of newspaper databases are yielding the most content, I'd love some more advice on what a good cite-worthy newspaper source should include. Or if you can refer me to acceptable WP articles on specific folk or classical musicians (notable but not celebrity status) that I can look at for models, that would help me a lot. My goal is to have a good enough article that it won't be deleted. From there the world can take over. Sorry this question is so long! thanks Colliedog (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC) Colliedog (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Moira Smiley? -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Page creationEdit

 – Added header. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 03:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Can I Create my page old Draft:Arya Shah? AryaHouse (talk) 02:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Do you mean "Can I recreate Draft:Arya Shah, which, with a different user name, I created earlier?"? If so, no you can't. If you mean something else, please explain. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

A Wikipedia pageEdit

The page that says list of people who claim to be Jesus. I should be on it. My Twitter will verify. @imadude009. My Facebook link is on there. I'm claiming to be Kid Christ Reincarnated. I'm James now. That's a past life. Just look at the Twitter. (talk) 04:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Not going to happen. At List of people claimed to be Jesus, everyone in the list has an existing Wikipedia article about them. You don't. Not saying you are not Jesus, just that you have to be notable to be counted among the many. David notMD (talk) 04:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Table help neededEdit

In Riboflavin, Dietary recommendtions section, the table on the right-hand side had content in a third column, since removed, but I cannot figure out how to remove the 'ghost' column that has no content in its cells. If anyone can see how to do it, do it, because explaining it to me so I can do it will take far longer. David notMD (talk) 04:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: An extra column parameter was present, this has been fixed. MT TrainTalk 04:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there a questionEdit

 2600:8801:2987:7700:F041:D77E:4DA8:B96D (talk) 04:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)6 3

Is there a question? David notMD (talk) 04:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Biased editsEdit

Recently, the NOlympics LA article has been created. So I added more info. Unfortinately, my edits were biased. As a result, I ceased making biased edits after an admin told me about this. However, another user just warned me just because I corrected the grammar in this article despite the fact I ceased making biased edits after I read that warning from another admin and despite the fact that it has a lot of edit errors. Is there is any advice? I tried to be neutral as I can. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SpinnerLaserzthe2nd,
Welcome to the Teahouse. It would help if you provided links to the edits that were considered "biased". I'll refrain from offering my opinion as I've already share it with you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Okay, thank you very much! SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


Since I use the mobile version of wikipedia, I had one question. How to move or create a page in the mobile version? Gizte (talk) 04:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Gizte. Perhaps the information you're looking for can be found in WP:MOBILE. Did you know that there's a "Desktop" link at the the bottom of mobile Wikipedia pages that allows you to switch from the mobile version to the desktop version? For the most part, you can use this to edit Wikipedia pretty much the same way as if you weren't editing from a mobile device. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Gizte, go to Special:MobileOptions and turn on "Advanced mode" (if it's not already on). That will add a "⋮" button to the top toolbar. Tap that and the last item in the drop-down should be "Move". ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 13:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

John Gatins wiki page -Edit

I am John Gatins and I am curious about why someone continues to post the same incorrect information about prior substance abuse and sobriety date and involvement in alcoholics anonymous - I think the source that is referenced is an article in the Los Angeles times - none of this information is stated in that article - can someone help me edit or remove this misinformation? - thanks for any help - john Lalalabusyx46 (talk) 07:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lalalabusyx46. If you believe that the current version of the article does not correctly summarize the Los Angeles Times article about addiction, then post an edit request on Talk: John Gatins. If you think that the LAT content is wrong, take it up with the LAT. If they retract and publish a correction, then the Wikipedia article can also be corrected at that time. We summarizing what published, reliable sources say. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
While most of that section does seem to correctly summarize the LAT article, I removed the exact sobriety date because (1) it is not stated exactly in-source and (2) I would err on the side of privacy here. The rest is mentioned in the LAT and IMO represented well in the Wikipedia article (Lalalabusyx46, if you disagree, please point out the exact sentence that you object to, and if possible suggest a replacement). The LAT is an interview, but one has no real reason to think that the interviewed person lied or misremembered stuff here. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Cullen and Tigraan thank you so much for your responses - I am trying to learn about Wiki - I know absolutely nothing about how it works - for example - why do I even have a wiki page? who wrote it? why? lol - and I reread the LAT article which I had only read once 9 years ago and laughed as I was reminded of that piece and a few others that ran - all of which had shades of truth to them - but being a bit overwhelmed with the picking through my personal life that was going on I just kept moving - never stopping to point out inaccuracies or bends on truths - Tigraan, I really appreciate you saying to err on the side of privacy with regards to a date not specifically stated in the article - and as it is my personal life and I have no desire or agency by which I could put an update to any facts or relationships to organizations cited from the article - I'm not sure what there is to do - If you asked me what I'd prefer - it is privacy - I have no twitter or facebook - I don't have social media profiles - my personal opinion about any news outlet like the LAT associating anyone with AA is that it is dangerous both for that individual and AA itself - the second A being Anonymous - any association I might have or have had with AA is irrelevant and unprovable as I don't think those meetings take minutes or roll call - I know that my opinions don't matter and I appreciate wiki editors trying to base articles on fact - I see that wiki graded that LAT article a C - which makes it a somewhat shaky reference - I truly appreciate you both responding to my questions - and I really appreciate the nod towards privacy - and any further nods in that direction would be greatly appreciated - I'd love the personal life section to go away - I also didn't really grow up near saratoga racetrack - it was 3 hours from my house - I went a few times in my life - I will reread the wiki page and see if there is anything I can add to improve the facts - sorry to go long here - cheers - have a great day, gents ----

Lalalabusyx46 To answer one of your questions, the article was created by User:Bobamnertiopsis back in 2013, and edited by many people since then. History of edits seen by clicking on View history, top menu. Given that it is about you (accepting that you are who you say you are), your path for changes is to create a New section on the Talk page of the article, and there post the specific changes you want, as in delete _____ and add _____, including references for the latter. All content must be verified by refs. Wikipedia does respect personal privacy, so you can also post requests that certain information by removed, especially if not germane to whatever makes you notable. David notMD (talk) 15:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)David notMD - i appreciate your help - jg----

Lalalabusyx46 I apologize as I've been removing your edits thinking that it was vandalism. If this is a case of violation of privacy through BLP I think the smart move here is to delete and see if there's further info regarding the wikipedia policies. CaffeinAddict (talk) 15:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
CaffeinAddict - I truly appreciate you deleting that portion - I can't imagine that anyone will feel so inclined as to try to restore some version of that content - but if someone does I can take the steps you suggest to further claim this article as you call it about me - I may very well try to read through the history of the article and its editors to get a sense of why it was created - all to say that I appreciate you - be well - jg ----


From where can I seek help on finding sources for my article. I want someone to help me find sources on one of my articles. Where should I post my request? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 07:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible, you can try Wikiprojects related to the topic of your article. For example, if you're writing about a chemical, try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry. Wikipedia:Reference desk and WP:RX may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for the source. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 11:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Can I use Reddit as a source?Edit

I wanted to add this source ( to the NOlympics LA article. I am not sure if its okay or not.

Also, in terms of biased edits, do you think the current revision is better than this edit or do you think it needs editing?

SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 09:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

hi SpinnerLaserzthe2nd! to answer your first question, you generally should avoid using reddit as a source due to being a self-published source. happy editing!  melecie  t - 10:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
What about the second one? Do you think the links are biased. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 10:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
  • @SpinnerLaserzthe2nd, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, To expound on what has already been said to you, Reddit is a forum and you may not use a forum as a reliable source nor can you use a self published or user generated materials as a reliable source. The fundamentals of identifying a reliable source which you need to know is, a reliable source, has to have a reputation for fact checking and a presence of editorial oversight, this is what you need to know primarily. Sourcing is an “art” thus it is very tricky and a little bit difficult to master but not impossible. You did well by coming here for verification, please do not hesitate to ask more questions when you are unsure about a source. Celestina007 (talk) 18:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


One of the policies in Wikipedia is that all materials must have a source but how to sure or how to know if the URL or link provided for a source/reference are safe? Thanks in advance. —It'sCtrlwikitalk • 12:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Verifiability and at WP:Reliable sources, together with various links from those pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't know what you mean in this context by "safe", Ctrlwiki. Do you mean "free of spyware"? Do you mean reliable? Or do you mean something else? -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
As a reviewer, I need to verify if the sources provided by the user in an article is reliable, except for this one, I also need to verify if the information added by the user is accurate as the provided source, and one way to do this is to click the link for verification, but what if the provided link by anonymous user is not safe or containing unsafe data, I mean, every article in Wikipedia contains a lot of different external links, and how to know if they are safe and they can not damage my device or account.—It'sCtrlwikitalk • 13:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Ultimately, I don't think that you can fully trust any external link: your own browser plus virus-detector are the ultimate backups. Many known spam websites are blocked by Wikipedia software so that they can't be added in the first place but bad links do get through and can be reported at WP:WPSPAM. I'd be more cautious about reviewing drafts or edits created by IP users but over the years I've been using Wikipedia I've never personally hit a damaging link. Ultimately we have to assume good faith Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Repertorium Eruditorum Totius Europae: citation spam or notEdit

I would like an opinion as to whether edits such as the following constitute citation spam or not:

Leiden_University revision of 08:37, 30 November 2021

Also, I solicit opinions about the fact that such edits (this is one of a couple of dozen such edits) are marked as "minor edits". (I'd like the opinion to be "if somebody's improperly/flagrantly marking edits as minor, you are free to flagrantly revert such edits.) Fabrickator (talk) 12:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

To answer the second part of your question, I assume that the editor may not have been aware of the guidance at Help:Minor edit, so I have given them the appropriate notice. In these circumstances I wouldn't necessarily regard the marking as a minor edit as grounds for reverting the edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
To answer the first part of your question I did consider these edits to be citation spam when the same editor was earlier trying to edit war similar content into University of Bologna. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Copyright imageEdit

Hello, if I edit a copyrighted image in any app, for example, if I add some filters to it, will it be non-copyrighted? Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 13:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Nope. When creating a Derivative work, Richard, you need permission/license from the original copyright holders. ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 13:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I get my contributions published?Edit

Hi, I recently expanded the section on the controversies over the Anthropocene in the Anthropocene wikipedia page; however, my edits have not yet been published. What process should I go through for my edits to publish? Thank you!  Nalyd24 (talk) 14:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nalyd24 according to Special:Contributions/Nalyd24 you have not yet edited the Anthropocene article. You have created a page in your userspace User:Nalyd24/Anthropocene where you have written several paragraphs. You need to copy your draft text to an appropriate place or places in the Anthropocene article. In Wikipedia articles we generally try to avoid having a specific "Controversy" section unless there is really a major controversy about the topic. Best practice is to place discussion about divergent opinions and disputes within relevant sections of the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Template not working.. for some reasonEdit

Hello! I attempted to add the template {{Infobox Wikipedia user}} to my userpage but I appear to have done something wrong as it's not displaying correctly. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Blaze The Wolf - you were missing the vertical bars ( | ) at the beginning of each line - I think I've fixed it, if not, just revert my edit - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 15:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Yep that worked. I think I had gone too far when I was removing the bars that encased my userboxes on specific lines (I pressed replace all forgetting some other templates used them). I'm working on fixing it right now. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Recording anecdotesEdit

I have an anecdote someone told me, over fifty years ago. I know of no backup source in which it is documented, and I'm wondering whether the anecdote will, in effect, die with me. I doubt that it's acceptable in the Wikipedia article that it pertains to, but is there some other, general repository for recording anecdotes?

Realizing that if I simply added it to the article, it would be deleted, I wrote instead on the talk page. But it was removed from there. The reviewer kindly recommended the Teahouse, hence this post.

And to give you an idea about what kind of anecdote this is: here's what I put on the Talk page:

Garsdale station is a mile or two away from the village of Garsdale proper. Folklore has it that someone asked why it was so far. The answer as I remember it, in northern dialect, "Happen they built it near the railway." I don't know if the wording is exact, and have no source, but if someone can verify it, perhaps this anecdote can be included.2603:6010:4E42:500:3869:D33C:BCBC:A7CA (talk) 16:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC) 2603:6010:4E42:500:3869:D33C:BCBC:A7CA (talk) 16:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia summarizes what published independent reliable sources state about a topic, and can be verified. Personal recollections in and of themselves do not usually fall in that category. If this recollection is published in an independent reliable source, that might work, but you posting your personal recollection is not sufficient, unfortunately. 331dot (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks – and yes, I know that it's not appropriate for the article itself, and I agree with that policy. What my question has to do with is whether a repository exists, other than the main encyclopedia, for recording anecdotes.2603:6010:4E42:500:3869:D33C:BCBC:A7CA (talk) 17:02, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Not on WP. You may want to look into something like Everipedia, more at List of online encyclopedias. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Also, if your anecdote is ever published in a local book about the station, or in a local newspaper article reminiscing about its history, then you may be able to get it inserted into the WP article sourced to the book or newspaper (the logic is that if one of these has chosen to publish the anecdote, then someone independent of you has agreed that it is interesting, relevant, and maybe even true!). It's not a guarantee that it'd be accepted, but it's a big step in the right direction, and of course it will also preserve the anecdote for posterity in whatever book or newspaper does the deed. Good luck, I too love such anecdotes. Elemimele (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Two people with the same nameEdit

Hello - I would like to create a page for a person who has the same name as someone already listed on Wiki. One is an actor and is not on Wiki. The other is a hockey player by the same name. When you click the actor's name, it automatically goes to the hockey players page. Griff3161 (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Griff3161! I recently encountered this problem when making the article Francis Bourgeois (trainspotter), my suggestion would be to name the page "(person's name) (actor)", then monitor the pageviews of both pages for a while, and then the actor's page could be renamed and made the primary topic, or the person's name (without the "actor") could be turned into a disambiguation page if that makes sense? wizzito | say hello! 17:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you're trying to create an article about yourself. Can you please read this page? Thanks! wizzito | say hello! 17:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Griff3161 Wikipedia articles and IMBd cannot be used as references for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

It is about me. I'm not the hockey player and wanted to distinguish between he and I. If you select my name in the credits that are listed on this site, it goes to the hockey player. I just wanted to separate us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Griff3161 (talkcontribs) 20:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Unless you can find references other than Wikipedia articles and IMBd, your attempt to turn User:Griff3161/sandbox into an article about yourself will fail. Also, see WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox to review to live?Edit

 – Added header. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 17:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I've forgotten how to submit a new article and can't fathom for some reason. It seems to be in a sandbox Am feeling a bit dim, apologies. Likeybikey (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Likeybikey: - it's in main space. Reference [32] needs fixing and the article might benefit from the addition of an infobox - {{Infobox person}}. Mjroots (talk) 18:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikignome Wintergreen Thanks so much! Trying to fix, if you have time to advise, this link is good so where have I gone wrong?

Another editor has changed the troublesome ref 32 to <ref>{{Cite web|url=|title=V-Letter and Other Poems, by Karl Shapiro (Reynal)||access-date=2021-11-30|archive-url=|archive-date=2021-11-30|url-status=live}}</ref>, which renders as [2]


  1. ^ Missing or empty |title= (help)||access-date=2021-11-30|archive-date=2021-09-27|archive-url=}}
  2. ^ "V-Letter and Other Poems, by Karl Shapiro (Reynal)". Archived from the original on 2021-11-30. Retrieved 2021-11-30.


Hi, my username is Rzzor and I'm a new user. Can someone tell me some shortcuts like using the two apostrophes to italicize? Thanks. (Also, what's a tilde?) Edit: Thank you Blaze and Rose for helping me. I'll probably use this information later writing articles.  Rzzor (talk) 18:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Rzzor, welcome! See WP:CHEATSHEET or the longer WP:TUTORIAL. For tilde, see WP:SIGN (or tilde). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
A tilde is this character: ~. I would probably describe it as a wavy dash. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Rzzor, Welcome to Wikipedia! I left a little welcome message with some links you might be interested in as you start your journey here. I see you already found your Sandbox. That's the best place to practice so I'm happy you discovered or were directed there. You can, as always, ask any questions here on the Teahouse and the very capable hosts and watchers will assist. I hope you enjoy your time here and good luck with the editing! --ARoseWolf 19:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Image Google Search BoxEdit

Hi, I recently changed an image for a search entry on the Wiki page but now it's not showing up in the Google search box. It's just text in the Google search box for this entry. Any help would be appreciated! (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no control over what Google does with Wikipedia content; it sometimes takes time for things to update. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much!

A question about paid editorsEdit

I recently found a paid editor who hadn't made the required disclosure. In their talk page, I told them to make the disclosure, which they did (although they only did so on their talk page, and not on their user page as is required by policy). Before I did this, their paid editing had been ongoing for several years. Should I have reported this user on the noticeboard? --Wartops (talk) 20:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but I think that you should definitely report them now. Anonymous from Stack Overflow (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
The editor in question has edited two articles (related). You have told the editor to declare paid, which was done on Talk page, and you then advised today to more to User page. A fair guess it will be done. You also tagged the two articles as products of paid editing. If the paid notice is moved to User page I would consider your effort reaching the right result, and done. David notMD (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Wartops, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, if I am reading this correctly, are you implying they have been engaging in undeclared paid editing for years? Do you have cogent proof? If yes, then please WP:UPE enables you to go to WP:AN/I, if you have hard evidence that may contain private material then please you may want to send an e-mail to ArbCom. Celestina007 (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
To be specific here, User:Elizachan16 has been editing Schneider Electric and Jean-Pascal Tricoire since 2019. Now indefinitely blocked. User:Wartops has cut huge amounts from the first and modest amounts from the second. Both still tagged as significant paid editing. Schneider Electric actually shows years of past editing by other accounts that edited nothing else, so in highsight, were undeclared paid editing. David notMD (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


Will someone please give me feedback on my edits? --InternetScavenger89 20:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not going to evaluate your edits as I don't believe that's extremely constructive. What I will do is say that you are appreciated and I encourage you to soak up as much wisdom from longtime editors as possible. Ask for and take to heart as much advice as you can. Follow links and study policy, guidelines and even essays (where applicable). Read, read, read! Exploring the encyclopedia and testing things on your sandbox isn't a bad idea either. We have some amazing editors here that you can learn so much from and I think you probably have thoughts you can offer that will be constructive for the encyclopedia. Be Bold but be conscious. --ARoseWolf 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@InternetScavenger89: (pinging). ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Blaze The Wolf: Last questions, How do you archive talk page discussions? --InternetScavenger89 20:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@InternetScavenger89: There are 2 (Technically 3 but 2 of them are similar) way of doing so, manually and via a bot. H:ARC provides information on how to do so. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:29, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
How do you give an administrator a barnstar if they have extended confirmed protection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InternetScavenger89 (talkcontribs) 21:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
You should add that to the talk page, not try and edit their user page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I am writing an article but it has been declined for publication about three times. I do think the subject is qualified as there are books and other publications that write about his inventions so I am wondering if the way the article is written, is the problem.. I have since the last decline, changed some things, so I think it might be better but appreciate any help. All advice is welcome. Thanks! Vedlagt (talk) 20:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Declined four times. ALL of the stuff about patents is about the inventions, therefore NONE of it contributes to establishing HIS notability. Ditto the content about his family. Unless some of the other refs are about him, at length, no hope. David notMD (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Alexandria Times on Wiki needs the name of its Founder, which is me :-]Edit

  Courtesy link: Alexandria Times

Why does "Alexandria Times" on wiki not include the name of its Founding Editor and Publisher, John Arundel? I sold the paper to Denise Dunbar in 2009 but there is no mention as to who founded the paper. I live in Alexandria, VA. with my children, and this is my legacy. This is deeply hurtful to me. Please change. Thank you, John Arundel

Here are citations: Jonarunwiki (talk) 20:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jonarunwiki: Hello Jon and thank you for coming here first before adding it. Since you say you are the founder I suggest you take a look at WP:COI and WP:PAID. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi @Jonarunwiki, the article has been updated to reflect this, in the infobox and halfway down the lead paragraph, citing the source you provided. I hope this helps :) — Berrely • TalkContribs 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Jonarunwiki:, Hi, for the future, the correct thing to do isn't to edit the article yourself, it's to request on the talk-page associated with the article the changes you'd like made. This is because you have a conflict of interest (more information at WP:COI). Also, the information should ideally have a reliable secondary and independent source. The linkedin reference won't do, and the trademark register reference is a bit iffy, being very much a primary source. It would be really nice if you can find an article written by someone else, perhaps a different newspaper, welcoming your new newspaper on the journalistic scene? Thanks for raising the issue here. Elemimele (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Getting more communities involved in overseeing a pageEdit

Getting more communities involved in overseeing a page

Hello, I'm just wondering if there's an established way (read: polite) of getting more communities involved in actively checking in on an article. The article on archaeoacoustics ( is currently associated with the Archaeology group, but since it's a hybrid discipline, I'd like to get it associated with the Physics/Acoustics group as well - basically, it's a sort of inactive page (before me, hadn't been edited in almost a year, and the talk page has been inactive for even longer) that I'd like to start filling it out more, but would like to make sure that more established editors with an interest in the subject matter can oversee and ensure I'm not making a mess of it. Is there a polite way to start the association of the topic with the community? SuddenBowsprit (talk) 23:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

At the top of the article's talk page, after the existing WikiProject, you could add something like {{WikiProject Physics|class=start|importance=mid|acoustics=yes|fluid-dynamics=yes}}, adjusting the class & importance according to the project's definitions. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm under a rock here. would this red link meet the notablility guidelines?Edit

My job if you check my user page is dealing with red links. I'm under a rock, does this meet the notability guidelines, was this from a deleted article? 2189 is out of order (talk) 01:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "being under a rock", 2189 is out of order. Does what meet the notability guidelines? Was what from a deleted article? -- Hoary (talk) 02:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Being under a rock is another way of saying I am not affluent in that specific culture, being a Southerner. and I am wondering if the red link mentioned met the guidelines? . Red Link Text: Gaurav Mukesh Jain.2189 is out of order (talk) 03:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

You can use Special:Log to see if page was deleted. Jain page was never there. Gaurav Mukesh, which old versions of Suhani page used to link to, existed, but was deleted in 2016. Hemanthah (talk) 04:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
If Gaurav Mukesh Jain (a name I'd never heard of) really has "starred" (a vague and often promotional term) in Suhani Si Ek Ladki (which I'd also never heard of), then I suppose an article might eventually be written about them. There has never been an article titled "Gaurav Mukesh Jain". -- Hoary (talk) 04:39, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


Does fandom count as a reliable resource or no? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 01:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

No it doesn't. -- Hoary (talk) 02:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
@TheAlienMan2002: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! The answer to your question is no, it is considered user-generated content. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

another notability questionEdit

oh, I hate to bother you again, but is the 1972 film A Short Walk To Daylight worthy of its own article? 2189 is out of order (talk) 01:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Is this an existing article you think should be deleted, or one you are considering drafting? If the latter, find the references. David notMD (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
2189 is out of order if you can find a few good references for it you can do an article on the TV movie. I did some quick online checking and couldn't find any good sources, but perhaps you can locate information in reference books I don't have access to. Best wishes on our research project. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Help with module editingEdit

Hello, I asked a question about module war map editing, but my question wasn't answered. Could someone please help me? Thank you! Firestar464 (talk) 02:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

edit requestEdit

I made an edit request, which is now in [1], and I am unsure why the request was never granted? I mistakenly thought p.m. was in the article. I believe pm should be changed to p.m., in order to show consistency. Thank you! (talk) 04:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

"Time correction"? You could bring up the matter again on Talk:Kenosha unrest shooting. -- Hoary (talk) 04:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Will bringing up the request again annoy other editors? (talk) 04:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
You have slightly changed your own question since I answered it. The question I answered didn't mention "p.m." versus "pm". Either of these is acceptable. Inconsistency (using both) would not be likely to worry the vast majority of readers. The triviality of your request might annoy me. -- Hoary (talk) 04:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I added to the beginning of the section, as I was trying to give as much information as possible and show I made a mistake in how I thought the article was written. I was unsure if I could bring up the request again on [2]. I do appreciate your response though! (talk) 05:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

When should I ask for an experienced editor to look at my sandbox and what happens then?Edit

Hi there, thanks for the invite to Sandbox. I'm new to Wikipedianism, but felt compelled to try adding an item or two or three about related subjects that are of some interest to me but which are absent on Wikipedia pages. I think they're notable, but may well be mistaken of course. I've a bunch of questions I'd like to ask, but I'll stick to just the subject above. I've written one item in Sandbox, added citations bio info box, it could be item or stub. I'm sure it has errors of course, but there's not much more I can add for the moment. But there may be many Wikipedians out there who can add more if this subject is indeed deemed notable. Question is, am I ready to request asking for the item to be reviewed by experienced editors? What happens after doing this? Of course, I am extremely curious to see if I'm way off the mark or on track and anxious for feedback, for better or worse. And if the subject is notable it would be so very interesting to see any further contributions by editors. Would you encourage me to 'press the button' soon sooner or later? Afewthings (talk) 05:43, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Afewthings, editors don't usually like to edit other people's sandboxes, but they are happy to edit articles in "Draftspace". So I would suggest moving your sandbox article to Draft space via the "move" tab at the top. After clicking the "move" tab, scroll way down under "New title" and select "Draft". Then where it now says "Afewthings/sandbox", change that to "Albert Edward Powsey" Bert Powsey. Then check "Watch page" and then click the blue "Move page" button and you're done. You can then let relevant WikiProjects know about the draft, and so on. If you have any trouble or want me to do the move for you, ping me by copying my full username like I did yours, or post on my talkpage. Softlavender (talk) 06:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
But the text suggests (though doesn't directly say) that he was best known as Bert Powsey. If he was, then this should be the title of the draft, and of the eventual article. Anyway, the title should be the best-known name (thus we have "Joe Biden", not "Joseph Robinette Biden".) -- Hoary (talk) 06:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Fair enough, all of the Googlebooks results are under Bert Powsey. Bert Powsey it is. I shall edit my post. Softlavender (talk) 06:43, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
"Wikipedianism" -- it sounds like a congenital disorder of some kind. Uh, that aside: Your User:Afewthings/sandbox is certainly about a most interesting subject. I looked at one of your sources: the first one, this one. You attribute it to "Krystynapickering", but as I see it, it's by Dan Robertson. And it's also dated (29 Sep '21). Once you've fixed this reference, you don't have to write all this out more than once. (Please see this recipe.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey thanks so much for all those responses. Wow that was quick. I will take a look at and apply your suggestions in the next couple of days and do as you suggest, try and move it over to draftspace. So far I haven't found the move tab but will look more closely. Again, thanks kindly for your time.Afewthings (talk) 06:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'm just going to do it for you, so you can concentrate on other things like improving the draft itself. Moving can seem somewhat complicated the first time. Softlavender (talk) 06:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


Draft:Bert Powsey

--Softlavender (talk) 06:50, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I've read the second sentence of the draft multiple times, and still can't make sense of it. What are "the periods"? Who employed the divers? Maproom (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
It just needed an apostrophe (period's), which I've added. Now that you mention it though, there is redundancy since I moved a large chunk of text from the lead to the body text. I'll fix that now. Softlavender (talk) 09:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Well done, Afewthings, for creating an interesting draft. You should be able to find public domain images to add to it. One obvious source is this one — you need to check the copyright status but with a bit of luck old photographs will be out of copyright and even if they are not, one can be chosen to be placed in the infobox of the article, once it has been accepted, under "fair use" provisions on English Wikipedia (see WP:FAIRUSE). Don't add such a fair-use image until that point. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Length of Time for Page to be Approved?Edit

I created a wiki page, it was my first one, and this was around 2 months ago. There are no notifications or suggested changes.

How long does the approval normally take?

Regards K Kerriannwood (talk) 07:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Giom Peltier was not submitted for review, I have added the submit template for you, please note the comments I have left there about neutral tone before submitting. Theroadislong (talk) 07:51, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
You submitted the draft without addressing the neutral tone issues as requested, so I have declined it. Theroadislong (talk) 08:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Who is the authority?Edit

This is kind of ceasing to be worth it, but if someone is reversing my edits in what I believe is an unreasonable way, and seems to be claiming some higher level of authority than me (e.g. threatening me with consequences), who is an authority I can appeal to above him or her?

More broadly, 'consensus' does not seem to be a good reason for deciding on something. A consensus of people can be wrong. I am kind of imagining that this higher authority would just defer to some kind of 'consensus', regardless of my arguments or the deficiency in my opponent's arguments.

I asked my opponent for an authority and he or she did not respond. If this is how this works, like I said, I don't really feel it's worth it, but just wondering if I was under some kind of misperception. (If there is an authority to whom I can report other editors, that would also be useful, although again I am pessimistic from what I have experienced thus far.) Toadmore (talk) 08:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

There is no "authority" in the sense you seem to mean. Wikipedia does indeed operate on the basis of consensus, and if an editor keeps editing an article against consensus, administrators can block that editor from editing that article. That is a consequence of editing behaviour (edit warring), not a consequence of having a particular opinion. Have a look at this information which explains what you need to do; in the particular case of Maryland, the question of which region it belongs to has apparently been a very contentious topic, to the point where there is a separate talk page only for discussions of that. There is also an edit note on the article page itself warning against changing the region without first getting a consensus in favour of a change, and even if you missed it the first time, you were told about it in Talk:Maryland#Region. Have another look at the response you got in that section, as well as here. --bonadea contributions talk 09:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
The advice above is entirely correct. However, there is no edit notice on the Maryland page, but rather an html comment in the lead. In source editor, the html comment is not at the top of the lead and therefore could easily be missed by someone just doing a ctrl-F to change the "mid-Atlantic" descriptor. In visual editor (link), this shows as a small, greyed-out information symbol followed by Do not modify text rela... and you need to click the information symbol to see the full comment.
I will put in an edit request for a an edit notice, with the same text as the html comment. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Formatting, Illinois River; in the Links section.Edit

Could someone improve the formatting here? If anyone wants this for a nice two-weekend project*, have at it. Otherwise, I'll do it. Kurnkerner (talk) 09:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC) Kurnkerner (talk) 09:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

  • Referring to the idea of linking all the Rivers of America volumes to their respective rivers.


I have created new article about company PANAVIATIC AS based in Estonia as current topic on wikipedia is only on Estonian and do not represent current reality about company. However name of my topic is still User:Skyfly289/sandbox. Please let me know how can I change name to PANAVIATIC AS and make it live.

Thank you for your assistance. Skyfly289 (talk) 11:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)