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New here? Welcome! There is a simplified version of this page at Help:Introduction to talk pages.

Talk pages (also known as discussion pages) are administration pages where editors can discuss improvements to articles or other Wikipedia pages. The talk page associated with an article is named "Talk:Example", where "Example" is the name of the article. For example, the talk page for discussion of improvements to the article Australia is named Talk:Australia. The talk page associated with a page in another namespace is named by adding "talk" after the namespace label; for example, the talk page for Wikipedia:About is called Wikipedia talk:About.

When viewing an article (or any other non-talk page) on the desktop Wikipedia, a link to the corresponding talk page appears on the "Talk" tab at the top of the page. Click this tab to switch to the talk page. On the mobile Wikipedia, type "Talk:" and the article's name in the search bar. (There are plans to provide easier talk access on mobile.)

User pages also have associated talk pages (for example, User talk:Jimbo Wales for Jimbo Wales' userpage.). When other editors need to contact you, they will usually do this by leaving a message on your talk page. When someone has left you a message that way, you will either see an orange information notice the next time you log in or view a page on Wikipedia if you are editing as an IP address, or a red badge next to your username if you are logged in.

Contents

  • 1 Video introduction
  • 2 Where to find talk pages
  • 3 Identifying yourself
  • 4 Starting a new thread
  • 5 Replying to an existing thread
    • 5.1 Indentation
    • 5.2 'Reply tool' (rollout due: early 2022)
      • 5.2.1 Getting started
      • 5.2.2 Features
      • 5.2.3 Limitations
  • 6 Notifications
    • 6.1 Notifying other users
    • 6.2 You have new messages
  • 7 Advanced
    • 7.1 Subpages and archiving
    • 7.2 Assorted talk page boxes and graphics
      • 7.2.1 Quotations
      • 7.2.2 Boxes – general
      • 7.2.3 Talk page graphics and icons
    • 7.3 Talk page search
  • 8 See also

Video introduction

Video on how to use a talk page, 2m 30s (8 MB)
This introductory video covers:
  • What are talk pages
  • How to post a new message
  • Indentation
  • Keys to a good discussion
  • Watchlist

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0:59
1:25
1:48
2:12

Where to find talk pages

 
Location of the talk page tab (here, on the page Encyclopedia)
 
Location of the article talk page in Wikipedia mobile (Android) app normally appears in more options or at the bottom of the article labelled "View talk page" (here, on the page Giraffe)

When viewing an article (or any other non-talk page), a link to the corresponding talk page appears on the "Talk" tab at the top of the page. (The mobile version has a button at the bottom for logged-in users, while apps may have no link.) Click this tab to switch to the talk page; you can then view the talk page and its history, and edit it if you want to add a question or comment.

If the "Talk" link is red, it means no talk page has been started yet. Click the red link to begin a talk page for that article and follow the instructions in Starting a new thread below. (It is also possible for a talk page to exist while the corresponding non-talk page is a red link; this often occurs in User space, when a user has received talk page messages but has not started a user page yet.)

To go back to the article page from its talk page, use the leftmost tab at the top of the page, labeled "article". For pages other than articles, this tab may say something different, like "user page" or "project page".

Identifying yourself

When you post a message on a talk page you should always sign and date your comment so other editors can follow the thread of the conversation. To do this easily, type four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comment, or just click the signature button   on the row of buttons above the edit box. Once you publish the edit, this will be automatically converted into a user signature with a link to your user page, your user talk page, and the date and time that you save your edit. (You can change the form of your signature using your user preferences.)

Code Result
~~~~ Username (talk) 14:54, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

If you choose to contribute without logging in, regardless of whether you have an account, you should still sign your posts. In this case your IP address will take the place of your username, and will link to your contributions history.

Further information: Wikipedia:Signatures

Starting a new thread

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The "new section" tab on article talk pages (here, The weather in London) lets you start a new section.

To discuss a topic that's not already covered on the article or user talk page, start a new topic.

  • Click on the "New section" link at the top of the talk page screen.
  • Be sure to enter a section header in the "Subject/headline" box with a suitable title, preferably not something generic like "Question" or "Problem".
  • Sign. At the end of your post, type four tildes (~~~~), which will automatically add your user name and the date.
  • Click "Publish changes"

A new section can also be started by editing the whole page or an existing section, going to a new line and typing == Heading ==, replacing "Heading" with a suitable title, but make sure to add new discussions at the bottom of the page. A new section automatically adds the heading to the "Contents" box on pages with at least four sections.

Replying to an existing thread

"WP:THREAD" redirects here. You might be looking for Wikipedia:Avoid thread mode or Wikipedia:Thread-mode disclaimer.
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  • WP:THREAD
  • WP:TALKREPLY

To respond to a discussion already in progress:

  • Click the "Edit" link on the right end of the bar of the section you want to reply to.
  • Add your comment below the last entry in the discussion. If you want to respond to a specific comment, you can place your response directly below it. Use a colon (:) to indent your message to create a threaded message. See Indentation below for more information on indenting talk pages with colons.
  • Sign. Type four tildes (~~~~), which will automatically add your username and the date.
  • Click "Publish changes"

Indentation

See also: Wikipedia:Indentation and Help:List

Indentation is used to keep talk pages readable. Comments are indented using one or more initial colons (:), each colon representing one level of indentation. Each comment should be indented one more level than the comment it replies to, which may or may not be the preceding comment. For example:

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== Header ==

The first comment in a section has no colons before it. ~~~~

:The reply to the first comment is indented one level. ~~~~
::The reply to the second comment should be indented one more level. ~~~~
::Another reply to the second comment is also indented one more level than the comment being replied to. ~~~~
:A subsequent reply to the first comment is indented one level. ~~~~
Header

The first comment in a section has no colons before it. Editor 1 (talk) 10:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

The reply to the first comment is indented one level. Editor 2 (talk) 16:40, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
The reply to the second comment should be indented one more level. Editor 1 (talk) 16:57, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Another reply to the second comment is also indented one more level than the comment being replied to. Editor 4 (talk) 08:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
A subsequent reply to the first comment is indented one level. Editor 3 (talk) 03:15, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Some pages (deletion discussions, for example) use asterisks (*) rather than colons for indentation. Generally, colons and asterisks should not be mixed; if you see asterisks are being used in a page, use them as well. Complex discussions may mix them (and numbered lists, too); in such a case, avoid mangled list formatting with this simple rule of thumb:

Use the same indentation and list formatting as what you are replying to, plus one level at the end of the indent/list code. E.g., if you are replying to something in a complicated discussion that starts with #:::*, just copy-paste that and add a :, resulting in #:::*: in front of your reply (or use #:::** if you feel it is necessary for your reply to begin with a bullet point).

Avoid placing double line breaks between indented lines of text, since this can create problems for users of screen reader software (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility § Indentation).

If you practice these techniques, be sure to practice on a talk page, such as User talk:your user name/sandbox. The Cascading Style Sheets for talk pages are different from articles, and the visual appearance of list-formatted text can be different. Also, : should not be used for visual indentation in articles, as it is actually markup specifically for description lists. (See Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Indentation for how to indent single lines and blocks of text in articles; for block-quoting, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Block quotations.)

Additionally, to ensure clarity in a rapidly-moving or otherwise complex discussion, it is possible to use {{reply to}} to make clear to whom the comment is addressed. This also has the added feature of leaving the other editor a notification that you have replied to them.

'Reply tool' (rollout due: early 2022)

Main page: Wikipedia:Talk pages project § Reply tool

The new 'Reply tool' was turned on for all desktop users, whether logged-in or not, on 7 March 2022. A [reply] link now appears at the end of every signed comment to facilitate posting quick responses to an existing discussion. Any logged-in user can opt out by going to Preferences and deselecting it.

As of March 2022, the Reply tool is not available for mobile users.

Getting started

 
Screenshot of the visual mode
  1. At the end of each signed message, there will be a [reply] link. Click that link to reply to the message. A box will open for your response.
  2. Type your reply in the box. Your signature and the date will be added to your reply automatically.
  3. When you are ready to post your response, click the Reply button.

Features

  • Automatic signatures
  • Automatic indentation
  • Automatic live preview as you type
  • Automatic resolution of most edit conflicts
  • If it can't resolve the edit conflict automatically, it'll give you an error message. (You can copy your comment and reload the page.)
  • In both the Source and Visual modes, you can use keyboard shortcuts to make links, to @-mention the person you're replying to, or to add character formatting.
  • Keyboard shortcuts for cancelling (Escape) and posting (e.g., ⌘ Command+Return)
  • Preference setting: Your choice whether you use it. Easy to opt-out.
  • Toolbar in the visual mode
  • Keyboard shortcuts for linking, pinging, formatting, etc. in the visual mode
  • Search tool for linking and pinging in the visual mode
  • You can switch between visual and source editing modes.
  • Edits made with Reply tool are tagged as such in Special:RecentChanges.

Limitations

  • As of 2022, this tool will not work with multi-line templates or wikitext codes that need to be placed at the start of a line. (e.g., wikitext table syntax). You will not be able to switch to visual mode if your comment contains this syntax. See Reply tool visual mode limitations.
  • The Reply tool will only show on:
    • Pages in talk namespaces
    • Pages in namespaces which have been configured to show the 'add signature' tool ($wgExtraSignatureNamespaces). For most Wikimedia wikis this is the project and help namespaces.
    • Pages which have manually added the Add topic button using __NEWSECTIONLINK__
  • The Reply tool is visible when it detects a link to a user account and a timestamp on the same line. Some custom signatures will not be detected. See Why can't I reply to this comment?.

To get help with a specific question you have about subscribing to conversations, please post it here: Talk:Talk pages project.

Notifications

Notifying other users

You can notify other editors in a discussion by linking to their user page in your post. To do this easily you can use the template {{Reply to|Username}}, which renders @Username: For example, to reply and notify Editor 1 you should use the following code:

Code Result

{{reply to|Editor 1}} Message text. ~~~~

@Editor 1: Message text. Username (talk) 10:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

  Make sure to sign your post in the same edit in which you use this template, otherwise it won't work. Note that you cannot directly type the "@" symbol to notify a user, you must use this template or manually create a wikilink to their user page.

You have new messages

 
The message notification as it appears for registered users, in this image by The Editor's Apprentice.

You will be notified when someone else edits your user talk page or notifies you with the {{Reply to}} template. Since 30 April 2013, registered users have received this notification through the Wikipedia:Notifications system (see image right); unregistered users still receive notifications with the old-style Orange Bar. Registered users wishing to add back the functionality of the Orange Bar notification may do so through this script.

For users not editing with an account (unregistered users), the alert below is automatically displayed on all pages until you view your user talk page. If you click "new messages" it will direct you to the bottom of your talk page. If you click "last change" it will show you the last edit made to your talk page.

You have new messages (last change).

Advanced

See also: Help:Talk pages/Example

Subpages and archiving

Main page: Help:Archiving a talk page

Sometimes particular topics generate a disproportionate amount of traffic on a talk page. It may be decided to remove discussion of those topics to a subpage of the talk page. To do this, create a page titled "Talk:Xxx/Yyy", where "Talk:Xxx" is the name of the main talk page, and "Yyy" indicates the topic of the subpage. Leave a note at the top of the main talk page linking to any subpages.

On talk pages that generate significant amounts of discussion, old discussions are often archived to keep the size of the talk page at a manageable level. This may be done either manually or with the help of a bot. An archive box with links to the discussion archives is normally placed at the top of the current talk page.

Assorted talk page boxes and graphics

Quotations

Sometimes it is necessary to display a sentence or paragraph from the article on the talk page so that other editors can easily understand what is being discussed. An easy way to do this is to use the {{Quote frame}} or {{Quote}} templates:

Use {{Quote frame|Quoted passage from the article.}} to produce:

Quoted passage from the article.

Alternatively, use {{Quote frame |Quoted text |Author |Source}} to produce:

Quoted text
— Author , Source

The {{Quote}} template produces an indented quotation with no box; use {{Quote |Quoted text |''Source''}} to produce:

Quoted text

— Source

Alternatively, use {{Quote|Quoted text |Author |''Source'', page XX}} to add an author and page number:

Quoted text

— Author, Source, page XX

For directly quoting another user, the {{Talkquote}} template places quoted text inside a green box, as in: {{Talkquote |Quoted text |Example |ts=12:00, 01 January 2000 (UTC)}}, which produces:

Quoted text
— User:Example 12:00, 01 January 2000 (UTC)

Boxes – general

Plain box (can also be used in article):

<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="attention" style="background:#2d2f34; margin:0 2.5%; padding:0 10px; border:1px solid #aaa;">'''Put material here.'''</div>

Colored box (green – talk page only):

<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color:#efe; margin:2em 0 0 0; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px dotted #aaa;">'''Put copied and pasted quoted text from article here.'''</div>

To keep a list of accompanying references within the container, add the {{reflist-talk}} template immediately before the closing div tag; e.g., {{reflist-talk}}</div>.

Talk page graphics and icons

See also: Wikipedia:List of discussion templates
Code Result
{{tick}}  Y
{{done}}   Done
{{yellow tick}}  Y
{{ESp|pd}}   Partly done:
{{ESp|n}}   Not done:
{{ESp|?}}   Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
{{ESp|q}}   Question:
{{Not sure| }}  
{{Not sure}}   Not sure
{{Not sure|Not sure what you mean.}}   Not sure what you mean.
{{fixed}}   Fixed
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]]  
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=Warning icon]]  
{{Resolved}}
  Resolved
{{cross}}  N
{{outdent}} or {{od}}

Talk page search

You can use the Special:Search box below to locate Talk pages. See Help:Searching for more information.

See also

  • Help:Introduction to talk pages
  • Wikipedia:Shortcuts to talk pages
  • Wikipedia:Don't lose the thread
  • Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines
  • Wikipedia:Talk page layout
  • Help:Archiving a talk page
  • "Communicating with Your Fellow Editors", a chapter in Wikipedia: The Missing Manual
  • Wikipedia:LiquidThreads
  • Wikipedia:Flow
  • Further talk page help at Meta
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Inline talk templates
Template  Shortcut  Parameter?  Example  Output  Notes 
Thread level
{{Moved talk}}
 Y
{{Moved talk|Dresden}} Moved: was at Talk:Dresden
Used at the thread's current location
{{Moved talk to}}
 Y
{{Moved talk to|Berlin}} Moved to: Talk:Berlin
Used at the thread's former location
{{Thread retitled}}
 Y
{{Thread retitled|Old title}}
Thread retitled from "Old title".
Per Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Section headings
Opening
{{Summoned by bot}} {{sbb}} {{sbb}} (Summoned by bot) Can be used in requests for comment
{{Buttinsky}} {{Buttinsky}} (  Buttinsky) A variation of {{Talk page stalker}}
{{Edit conflict}} {{ec}}
( Y)
{{ec}} (edit conflict) To indicate that you encountered an edit conflict
{{Interrupted}}
 Y
{{Interrupted|Username|14:54, 29 June 2022 (UTC)}} — Username 14:54, 29 June 2022 (UTC) — continues after insertion below Used to identify the contributor of the upper fragment(s) of a comment that was broken up by a different contributor's insertion of text
{{Non-admin comment}} {{nacmt}}
( Y)
{{nacmt}} (Non-administrator comment) Optional and only for own comments, see doc
{{Pinged}} {{Pinged}} (pinged) Indicates a notification was received
{{Responding to ping}} {{rtp}} {{rtp}} (responding to ping) Similar to {{pinged}}
{{Talk page stalker}} {{tps}}
( Y)
{{tps}} (talk page stalker) Cf. Wikipedia:Talk page stalker
{{Talk page watcher}} {{tpw}}
( Y)
{{tpw}} (talk page watcher) Ditto
Notifications
{{Hidden ping}} {{hp}}
 Y
{{hp|Username}} ​ Invisible notification utilizing the zero-width space character
{{Ping group}} {{pinggroup}}
 Y
{{pinggroup|Pinging collaborators|John Doe|Jane Doe|...}} Pinging collaborators (John Doe—Jane Doe—...) Up to 10 usernames
{{Pong}}
 Y
{{pong|Username}}   Username: In reply to a ping
{{Reply to}} {{re}}/{{ping}}
 Y
{{re|Username}}/{{ping|Username}} @Username: Sends a notification; up to 50 names
{{To}}
 Y
{{To|Username}} To Username: Sends a notification
During
{{subst:Arbitrary break}} {{subst:Arbitrarybreak}} {{subst:Arbitrarybreak}} ======(arbitrary break)====== Requires substitution
{{subst:Bump}} {{subst:Bump}}   Bumping thread ~~~~ Requires subst. A wrapper for {{do not archive until}}
{{FBDB}} {{FBDB}} [FBDB] An initialism for Friendly Banter – Don't Block
{{KISS}} {{KISS}} KISS References the KISS principle politely
{{No ping}} {{np}}
 Y
{{np|Username}} Username Works like {{U}} but without triggering a notification
{{No ping2}} {{np2}}
 Y
{{np2|Username}} Username (talk · contribs) Works like {{User}} but without triggering a notification
{{Notelist-talk}} {{tnote}}
( Y)
{{tnote}} [not shown here] Creates a list of footnotes for a talk page discussion
{{Outdent}} {{od}}
( Y)
{{od|:::::}}
For out-denting a reply when indention gets too deep
{{Outdent2}} {{od2}}
( Y)
{{od2}} (←) Alternative out-denting
{{Reflist-talk}} {{tref}}
( Y)
{{tref}} [not shown here] Creates a list of references for a talk page discussion
{{Relevant discussion}} {{reldis}}
 Y
{{reldis|Talk:Berlin}}
  Relevant discussion at→ Talk:Berlin
Creates links to related discussions in a visually unique way
{{Sources-talk}} {{Sources-talk}} [not shown here] A convenience wrapper around {{Reflist-talk}}
{{Talkfact}}
( Y)
"Oranges are blue!"{{talkfact}} "Oranges are blue!"[citation needed] Used to quickly ask an editor to back up their claims
{{Talk quote inline}} {{tq}}
 Y
{{tq|"Oranges are blue!"}} "Oranges are blue!" To highlight a short excerpt of quoted material
{{Talk quote inline italic}} {{tqi}}
 Y
{{tqi|"Oranges are blue!"}} "Oranges are blue!" "
{{Not talk quote inline}} {{!tq}}
 Y
{{!tq|"Oranges are orange!"}} "Oranges are orange!" To highlight a short excerpt of quoted material someone didn't say but could have, or perhaps, should have
{{Not talk quote inline italic}} {{!tqi}}
 Y
{{!tqi|"Oranges are orange!"}} "Oranges are orange!" "
{{Talk quote block}} {{tq2}}
 Y
{{tq2|"Oranges are blue!"}}

"Oranges are blue!"

To highlight a longer excerpt of quoted material
End
{{Please sign inline}} {{Please sign inline}} (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)
{{subst:Please ping}}
( Y)
{{Please ping}} (please {{reply to}} on reply) Includes your username if substituted, but can be transcluded. Use {{Please ping|no}} to ask not to be pinged.
{{Not watching}} {{nw}} {{nw}} (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.)
{{subst:Notifyme}} {{subst:pingme}} {{subst:pingme}} If you reply here, please put {{reply|your username will show up here}} in front of your message so I get a notification. Thank you! Requires substitution. Will automatically add your username by substituting {{REVISIONUSER}} when you save.
{{subst:Request ping}} {{subst:repi}}
 Y
{{subst:repi|Example}} If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{u|Example}} to your message, and signing it. Requires subst
{{Signote}} {{sg}}
( Y)
{{sg}} Please leave me a note if you reply
{{Watching}} {{Watching}} (I am watching this page, so please reply here.)
Closure
{{Sock vote}} {{sv}}
 Y
{{sock vote|Example}} (  Blocked sockpuppet of Example, see investigation) To mark a vote/comment cast by sockpuppet. More parameters exist and can be viewed at the template documentation.
Humor disclosure
(See the list here.)
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