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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
May 17 1
May 23 1
May 28 1
June 1 1
June 3 1
June 7 1
June 9 1
June 13 1
June 20 1
June 21 1
June 22 1
June 23 1
June 25 1
June 27 1
June 28 1
July 1 1
July 2 2
July 3 1
July 5 1
July 6 2
July 7 2 1
July 8 2 2
July 9 3 2
July 10 1
July 11 5 2
July 12 8 3
July 13 6 2
July 14 4 2
July 15 5 2
July 16 8 1
July 17 8 5
July 18 7 5
July 19 10 10
July 20 2 2
July 21 10 6
July 22 7 4
July 23 8 4
July 24 13 11
July 25 8 7
July 26 6 4
July 27 10 4
July 28 8 5
July 29 14 7
July 30 11 3
July 31 8 4
August 1 8 2
August 2 7 4
August 3 7 3
August 4 8 1
August 5 1
Total 227 108
Last updated 09:27, 5 August 2021 UTC
Current time is 09:52, 5 August 2021 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominatorsEdit

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an articleEdit

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.

How to review a nominationEdit

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questionsEdit


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?Edit

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussionsEdit

Instructions for other editorsEdit

How to promote an accepted hookEdit

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a Prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
1) Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg.
2) Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
a. Any outstanding issue following Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg needs to be addressed before promoting.
3) Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
4) Images must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
5) Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
6) Hook should make sense grammatically.
7) Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
8) Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
1) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
a. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
2) Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
a. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
b. Check that there's a bold link to the article.
3) If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
4) Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
5) Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
a. At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
6) Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

How to remove a rejected hookEdit

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queueEdit

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new nameEdit

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominationsEdit

Articles created/expanded on May 17Edit


  • ... that Lajia was the place where the world's oldest noodles were found?
  • Comment: The source of the hook fact can be found in reference 6.

5x expanded by Jehbe3412 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC).

  •  . I cannot establish that this article has been expanded 5x between the 7 May and the 17 May. Even if I take the most generous bracket of time (i.e. not counting the subsequent downsizing by Keith D), I am supposed to compare the version of 02:06, 26 April 2021‎ with the version of 13:45, 17 May 2021‎. For the first version, DYKCheck gives me 1914 characters and 328 words. For the second version, DYKCheck gives me 5882 characters and 982 words. JBchrch talk 20:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
  •   There was one edit which was a 2 x expansion. The nom has only ever made 3 edits and no amount of leeway could get this close. Desertarun (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you for letting me know, I will be expanding the Lajia article further. Jehbe3412 (talk) 21:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
  •   As of today, DYKcheck is showing a 5x expansion starting on May 17, seven days prior to the nomination; the nominator made the additions within 48 hours of the above post. Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I shall be reviewing. Looking good overall, but I'll need some time to check in detail. --LordPeterII (talk) 12:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • @Jehbe3412: There is a number of weird sentences in the article, and it would certainly need some copy editing. As a student editor, are you still active? --LordPeterII (talk) 11:49, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
  • LordPeterII, I'm pretty sure the class ended a month ago, and the nominator hasn't edited since then. If you don't get a response after seven days, I think you have to assume that any copyediting will need to be done by someone else. It would probably take a few weeks if a Guild of Copy Editors request was made. I have made a post to the nominator's page that more work is needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:16, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Yeah I figured so much. I won't bother the guild, they have enough to do already with GAN and stuff. I'll probably do the copy-editing myself when I have time. --LordPeterII (talk) 09:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
  • The article passes DYKCheck and there are no copyright issues. Provided hook looks interesting and is inline cited in the article. This is nominators first DYK, so QPQ is not required. However, I feel the hook needs to be modified. ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that world's oldest noodles were found in Lajia?
  •   Good to go with the modified hook. ─ The Aafī (talk) 05:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  •   Ahem, excuse me but what? This article is not ready yet (as I have written above). I hope I'm not breaking a rule by putting another symbol here, but as the one who was originally intending to do the review I can't let this pass in its current state. @TheAafi: Sorry for this, but have you read the article? Half of the sentences don't make sense to me. Might pass for length and such, but I feel like quality can't be ignored completely. I intended to rectify this myself but got sucked into other projects, and so will request at the Guild of Copy Editors after all. It certainly can pass at some point, but please keep it on hold until the prose is in an acceptable state. --LordPeterII (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • LordPeterII I'm holding it until then. I skimmed through it and didn't find any major problem. Good wishes with the copyediting. Please ping me once you believe it is fine to be passed. ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:53, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  •   Please note that although the article has been requested at GOCE, the backlog is such that it will likely be early to mid-September before the copyedit is completed. Having skimmed much of the article myself, it clearly needs a careful copyedit prior to being approved for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Well, in that case I'll add it back to my to-do list. I need some time to do this properly (got sucked into storm coverage), but it won't take until September. I'll ping the reviewer when I'm finished. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 23Edit

Marie Antoinette with a Rose

  • ... that the previous portrait that illustrates Marie Antoinette wearing a muslin dress before Marie Antoinette with a Rose (pictured) was painted, is the subject's favourite dress? Source: "Vigée-Le Brun presented notably a new portrait of the Queen wearing the “gaulle” or “blouse dress”. Adapted to Parisian fashion by the dressmaker Rose Bertin, this muslin dress was the Queen’s favourite one during her stays at the Petit Trianon, away from the court. The visitors of the Salon were shocked by this portrait: in their view the Queen was not dressed as befitted her rank. So the painting was quickly withdrawn. Vigée-Le Brun then quickly painted a second portrait to be exhibited before the end of the Salon." Google Arts & Culture

Created by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 01:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC).

  Length (just barely) and reference verified ... however:
  • How sure are we that Google Arts & Culture is an RS? Mightn't we be better with the original text from Versailles if it's available, or from a reputable art site or book?
  • I think the body text should be rewritten a little more so it doesn't use so much of the same phrasing as the Google page. It passed a copyvio check, but still ...
  • And frankly, this hook would be better off for an article about that previous painting. Or rewritten to be more about this one. As it is it's like we had an article about a building and a hook about the one next door to it.
Daniel Case (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
OK, that takes care of the third issue I had, but not the other two. Daniel Case (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Pointing out that JeBonSer's talk page shows five DYK credits; a QPQ will be required. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
To clarify, the submitted QPQ review was previously used on Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Madame Jacques-Louis Leblanc, which was promoted to the main page on June 9. As a QPQ may only be used once, the one here cannot be reused and a new QPQ review will need to be performed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
  • @Daniel Case: Older reference was now replaced with the original reference from the Palace of Versailles with additional new references from other sites and a new QPQ was provided. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 16:39, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
@JeBonSer: OK, but per BlueMoonset above you still need to do another QPQ and post the link here. Daniel Case (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
@Daniel Case: QPQ: From St. George's Basilica, Prague to Theodolinda Hahnsson. The current provided QPQ is not still used. See the difference of my edit here. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
JeBonSer, even though you have officially changed the references, the actual prose is still unchanged, which means Daniel Case's point about needing to deal with the overly close paraphrasing from the Google source—putting the material in your own words while remaining accurate—still has to be done. Close paraphrasing is a very serious matter. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: Daniel Case, I have already rewritten the article and the information is still intact and accurate. The problems are all resolved now. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 08:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, Earwig finds one huge copyvio, but that's someone quoting this page, and the rest are good. But move that other picture down and right-justify it because otherwise it's an awful-looking violation of MOS:SANDWICH. And I want to know what @BlueMoonset: thinks. Daniel Case (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Daniel Case, JeBonSer, the article currently fails the length requirement; it has 1401 prose characters after some needed copyedits, below DYK's minimum of 1500 prose characters. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, Daniel Case, the article is eligible now because I add some phrase on it and the prose character now is exceeding 1500. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
JeBonSer, I have no idea what the newly added sentence is trying to say. You need to be clear in your writing, if you wish the expansion to be accepted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: The new sentence has now been cleared. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 03:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
JeBonSer, it is not clear, and it's troubling that you think it is. I'm going to ping Surtsicna and Johnbod, both of whom have done cleanup edits on earlier versions of this article, to see whether they can help. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Done, I hope. I haven't done a recount! Johnbod (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 28Edit

Semi-cursive script

  • ... that since Chinese calligraphy is disappearing due to the introduction of solid writing tools, a robotic arm was programmed to replicate semi-cursive script writing using the writing brush 17 years ago? Source: "Yao, Fenghui; Shao, Guifeng; Yi, Jianqiang (January 2004). "Trajectory generation of the writing–brush for a robot arm to inherit block–style Chinese character calligraphy techniques". Advanced Robotics. 18 (3): 331–356. doi:10.1163/156855304322972477. ISSN 0169-1864."
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Expanded by MeipleLeaf (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article has over 1,500 characters in prose. Article was not expanded 5 times its size at the time of nomination but it has been remedied since. Article is written in a neutral tone and is adequately sourced, but the refimprove tag added in 2013 still is a concern. In the "Writing conventions" and "Computer encoding" sections, there's some unnecessary capitalization in the headers. lullabying (talk) 07:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Additional comments: this is the user's first nomination so a QPQ is not needed at this time. I assume good faith on offline sources. For the hook, I would suggest getting rid of the first part of the sentence as it makes the hook wordy. ALT1 was not suggested; did you intend on including it? lullabying (talk) 07:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
  •   Nominator (a student editor) hasn't edited since May 28th and the issues remain unresolved. Unless another editor decides to adopt this, it is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Unless if someone with more expertise in CJKV writing comes along and wants it, I volunteer to adopt this nom. I changed the headers and will look at sourcing next. MSG17 (talk) 12:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
@MSG17: Have you been able to address all of Lullabying's concerns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
I've been able to address the headers, and I have started working on references. However, I am rather unsatisifed with that content of this article, as it strays in several places to cover the history of calligraphy in general, rather than just this particular script. Nevertheless, I'm working on it, and should have a suitable version soon. MSG17 (talk) 12:05, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
  •   Adding icon to reflect the current state of the nomination so it isn't closed while MSG17 is working on improving the article to DYK standards. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 1Edit

32nd anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests

A candle-lit US Consulate, Hong Kong on the night of 4 June 2021
  • ... that a pro-establishment legislator said the HK government ought to be "forthcoming and tell the public that the [32nd anniversary] vigil was not ... just banned because of the pandemic as claimed"? Source: Disband or risk prosecution, vigil organisers warned, RTHK
    • ALT1:... that a pro-establishment legislator said the HK government ought to admit that the 32nd anniversary memorial of the Tiananmen protests "was not ... just banned because of the pandemic as claimed"? Source: Disband or risk prosecution, vigil organisers warned, RTHK
    • ALT2:... that the US consulate in Hong Kong lit hundreds of candles (pictured) to commemorate the 32nd anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests? Source: "China Blasts US And EU Consulates In Hong Kong For Tiananmen Candles". International Business Times. AFP. 4 June 2021.
    • Reviewed: see User:Ohconfucius/DYK#QPQ

Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self-nominated at 12:20, 7 June 2021 (UTC).

  •   Date and length fine. However I have a few issues with the hooks. First of all we should say Hong Kong, not HK (which sadly would put ALT1 over the character limit), secondly "pro-establishment" seems a little WP:LOADED to me, Would "pro-Beijing" be better? The Embassy one is good but less hooky than the originals so I'll let @Ohconfucius: decide how he wishes to proceed. Also, can you please clarify for me what you are using as a QPQ? No close paraphrasing and could you ping me when its done and I can have another look at it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 13:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • "Pro-Beijing" would be acceptable, because it's a commonly-used term. In that case, would it be possible to simply say "the government" using a pipe? so we would have:
ALT3b:... that a pro-Beijing legislator said the government ought to admit that the 32nd anniversary memorial of the Tiananmen protests "was not ... just banned because of the pandemic as claimed"?
For the QPQ, I was thinking of applying Emrullah İşler if it remains valid. -- Ohc revolution of our times 23:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
@Ohconfucius: That's from 7 years ago. I could AGF on it at a stretch but have you got a more recent one? I know there was a discussion recently about time limiting QPQs so I would feel much better if you could provide one that's more recent please. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
I'll get reviewing something, possibly tonight. -- Ohc revolution of our times 10:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the suggestion. It's acceptable but is not my preferred choice, but the advantage is that it gets us under the maximum number of characters. -- Ohc revolution of our times 23:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: Since the nominator is OK with the new hook, this review looks like it is almost ready for completion. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I see, I misread the chain of comments. In that case pinging @Ohconfucius: to provide a recent qpq, otherwise I'll mark this for closure. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry for the lack of action on my part. I'm currently on the road, and will be back properly in two weeks. If this nomination will have passed its time limits by then, you may close it. Cheers, - Ohc revolution of our times 05:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 3Edit

Royal Hibernian Hotel

  • ... that the Royal Hibernian Hotel is thought to be the oldest known hotel in Ireland? Source: "The origin of the Royal Hibernian Hotel, Dawson Street, goes back to 1751, which makes it the oldest known hotel in Ireland."

Created by Ritchie333 (talk) and Smirkybec (talk). Self-nominated at 15:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC).

  • Suggesting "oldest hotel", because "thought to be" already conveys that it's a good guess, but a "oldest known hotel" suggests that there are some "unknown hotels" knocking about. Bogger (talk) 19:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
@Bogger: The problem with that, is that from my experience, somebody will probably complain at WP:ERRORS that "oldest hotel" is not sufficiently verified when this hits the main page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Will review...@Ritchie333: & @Smirkybec:...in meantime check Woodenbridge Hotel. Firsts and oldest are sometimes difficult. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
The source says the Woodenbridge Hotel was founded in 1608 as a coaching inn, which is not quite the same thing, although particularly archaically the term "hotel" has been used for what we might today call a "pub". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Good discussion @Ritchie333:. What is the difference between "inn" and "hotel"? "The Royal Hibernian Hotel had been there for two centuries, beginning life as a coaching inn." [2]... Another first...Old Glenbigh Hotel[3]? Otherwise so far...new enough, no copyvio issues, long enough, QPQ provided. Whispyhistory (talk) 19:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Well I'm not a reliable source, but as I understand it, an "inn" is somewhere you stayed overnight as part of an overall journey, while a "hotel" is somewhere you stayed as a temporary accommodation at the end of it. Since you can nowadays drive from Malin to Mizen in a day, this distinction has fallen out of use. As for what to do with the hook and the article, ALT1 : ... that the Royal Hibernian Hotel is thought to be one of the oldest hotels in Ireland? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:41, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
  Sorry for delayed reply. Did they all start as inns? Are these correct: The Royal Hibernian Hotel started in 1751 as a coaching inn [4]. Woodenbridge Hotel was founded in 1608 as an inn. The Glenbeigh Hotel dates back to 1792 when it opened its doors as a Stage Coach Inn [5]? I consider you very reliable btw...but who says it was the first? The source says when they closed, the Royal Hibernian Hotel claimed to be the first hotel in Ireland. If anyone else would like to help, please do. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
There's a transcript of a paper on public dining in Ireland (which the main source used in the article is an extract from) that says "The origin of the Royal Hibernian Hotel, Dawson Street, goes back to 1751, which makes it the oldest known hotel in Ireland (Corr, 1987, p. 5)." I've got no idea what source is "Corr, 1987" but it does mean the claim to be oldest known hotel is a little more verifiable (as opposed to actually true). I think I'm going to need Smirkybec's collection of Irish book sources at this point to progress further. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Found the paper you mentioned "The origin of the Royal Hibernian Hotel, Dawson Street, goes back to 1751, which makes it the oldest known hotel in Ireland" [6]. You could add to the article as a source. What is "known hotel"? Does that mean the Woodenbridge Hotel was the first unknown hotel? Let me know what you find. This reminds me of the articles I did on first transplants...or first successful transplant... or first transplant in a human etc. Sorry for nit-picking. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Ritchie333, Whispyhistory, it's been a month since the last comments here. Where does this nomination/review stand? BlueMoonset (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks @BlueMoonset:....Can someone help show this is the oldest hotel in Ireland? Whispyhistory (talk) 06:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
There are no further references that I could find that would make this more clear cut. Perhaps stating the oldest hotel in Dublin is the closest we can get? Smirkybec (talk) 12:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
I might be able to get my hands on the Corr text, but will that be deemed a definitive enough source? It's Hotels in Ireland by Frank Corr 1987. Smirkybec (talk) 12:20, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you @Smirkybec: for investigating. Sorry @Ritchie333:, I had another look...oldest in Dublin is okay or if want to look further I found that the Irish poet Patrick Kavanagh has a story at that hotel [7]. It was also oncee described as Dublin's most fashionable hotel [8]. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:53, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I think going for "oldest in Dublin" will do - it's still hooky enough, and also it'll finally get this issue resolved. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Ritchie333, Smirkybec, could one of you please formally write out a new ALT2 hook with Dublin in it so it can be reviewed? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 7Edit

Hanan Awwad

Moved to mainspace by QuakerSquirrel (talk) and Salukk (talk). Nominated by QuakerSquirrel (talk) at 13:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  Y
  • Interesting:  N - I dislike the "and was cultural advisor to Yasser Arafat" section. I feel like the hook should just be about 1 fact, squishing 2 together feels unnatural. I would remove this.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:  Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, Mcguy15.
  • Festival Internacional de Poesía de Medellin is an international festival that has been honored by the Right Livelihood Award, which is hosted by Swedish Parliamentarians. These facts suggest to me that it is reliable.
  • I removed the Amazon link.
  • I will check with Salukk about adding other references. There are others than can be added, but they are in Arabic, which I don't speak. (Although I did add one.) -QuakerSquirrel (talk) 14:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 9Edit

Rolls-Royce Boat Tail

Created by Jupitus Smart (talk). Self-nominated at 16:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC).


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:   The article really needs a picture. Perhaps we can find a picture of a boat tail model from the 1920-30s such as this Andrew🐉(talk) 14:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the Rolls-Royce Boat Tail, which is the world's most expensive street-legal new car, will have only three cars built?

@Andrew Davidson:Modified the hook. Pretty sure the Lunar rover was not street legal. I have also removed the celebrity owner parts (they were added by some IPs). The backward copy template has been added. I have added all the information I could salvage into the article though because it is an ultra luxury car - the engineering parts also ended up sounding luxurious. I am not able to find a relevant image, not even one of the old boat tails (which are copyright free). I will try to add some more information to make it more neutral by the time you revisit the article. Best. Jupitus Smart 16:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I browsed for sources myself to look for one that wasn't just churnalism – recycling a press release or other people's reports. I found a first-hand report which seems to ring true. One point made by this is that these vehicles are custom coach-built and so there's not a standard list price. The price will be individual to each client and RR aren't saying what it is, just as they aren't saying who the clients are. So, it seems difficult to make firm claims based on an unknown variable.
  • As for the street-legal idea, this would need confirmation. Sometimes, high-end cars are not street-legal and so can only be driven on race-tracks or private roads. And even some more mundane cars may not be legal in certain jurisdictions – see Illegal Vehicles Banned in America, for example.
Andrew🐉(talk) 17:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that the first Rolls-Royce Boat Tail comes with a Christofle crockery set? Source: https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/cars/rollsroyce-boat-tail-the-most-expensive-car-in-the-world-breaks-cover-41622170659257.html

@Andrew Davidson: How about a new hook like the one above?. Jupitus Smart 18:02, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Listing the various items of bling might make a good hook but we should avoid suggesting that these are standard production items as they are tailored to each client and there's only one example so far. I suggest "the first Rolls-Royce Boat Tail..."
As for the issue of price and client confidentiality, you might emphasise this by saying that the rich client and exact price are not being divulged by RR so people are making guesses and estimates. This might give the hook an element of excitement and mystery...
Andrew🐉(talk) 18:17, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
@Andre Davidson: Necessary change incorporated. Please check Jupitus Smart 18:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
I've got to work on my own DYK now so I'll get back to this tomorrow. Please ping me if I should forget... Andrew🐉(talk) 18:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson:, just a reminder as requested. Jupitus Smart 16:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I looked through the article again and am not willing to pass this yet as I don't think enough has been done to address all the points made above. I may edit the article myself to demonstrate the way I think this should be handled. But, if I do so, we will then need another reviewer. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: If you could please list the specific deficiencies, I would work on removing them. I am going on a long Wiki break now, and would not be able to follow up. Jupitus Smart 04:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson:, Any chance of going through the article again. Jupitus Smart 05:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
I just checked to see if there's any continuing coverage and am not finding it. My impression is that the burst of news was essentially PR which echoed through the motoring press but has not been sustained. I reckon we need more to make something of this – a photo is especially needed. I'm still not willing to tick this but will stay alert. Feel free to ask for another reviewer, if you want a second opinion. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  •   In the absence of improvements to the article and a request for a second review, I'm rejecting this nomination. BuySomeApples (talk) 06:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
If possible please allow a second review to see if this can improve before rejecting the nomination. Jupitus Smart 18:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
  •   New reviewer needed to provide the requested second opinion. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 13Edit

Performance (textiles)

Burberry advertisement for waterproof gabardine suit, 1908.
  • ... that performance is the ability of textiles (pictured) to withstand various conditions, environments, and hazards? Source: Kadolph, Sara J. (1998). Textiles. Upper Saddle River, New Jersey: Bobbs-Merrill Company. pp. 9, 11, 22, 23, 25, 392, 408, 407. ISBN 978-0-13-494592-7 – via Internet Archive.
    • ALT1:... that in terms of performance, treated wool is something of a miracle fabric (pictured).? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk), Dicklyon (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 13:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Performance (textiles)

  • Could somebody please explain what this is about. Thanks. -Roxy . wooF 15:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Sure. See WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen () 15:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Why would anybody nominate this bucket of gomutra for people to actually see how awful it is? Why am I listed as a creator, I didn't create this rubbish. Why can I not comment in this subject on the talk page of the article, where it appears? please unnominate this article collection of disparate factoids for DYK. Thanks. -Roxy . wooF 10:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Your true colors are showing. Alone, you wanted the article deleted, and others everyone else disagreed. I removed your name, per your request. 7&6=thirteen () 10:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
You didn't answer any of my questions. Why didn't you answer any of my questions? -Roxy . wooF 10:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:   There's some concern about the article title which might need thrashing out to ensure stability. "Textile performance" would be my suggestion. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment I have no objection to renaming the article. Should that be brought up at the article's talk page? 7&6=thirteen () 15:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Close paraphrasing and copyvio has been a historical problem with the original creator of this article. A proposal to rename the article has already been made on the article Talk page. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 21:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Sour grapes. Your proposals are unrelated with the sources. We can go with Andrew's suggestion. RV (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Earwig is clear. The only thing it highlights is a quote about Gabardine. We could add that picture (the historic ad) to the DYK. 7&6=thirteen () 12:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
  • @Andrew Davidson: are you still working on this review? It looks like there were some additions made to the article at the beginning of the month but nothing since so it's fairly stable. The article isn't nominated for deletion and the title is fine (even if not your preferred title) so there's no reason for this nomination to be on hold. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
User:Andrew Davidson I have proposed an ALT, inserted a picture. Are we GTG? 7&6=thirteen () 07:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
The picture looks great for this topic – well done! I'll take another look through the article – more anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
The ALT1 hook does not go well with the picture because the Burberry combination pictured seems to have been a cotton gabardine outer with a woolen lining. We might perhaps use the original hook but I reckon something more specific would be better. See this case study which explains how Burberry started with performance clothing. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Andrew In this context, Burberrry Gabardine is treated worsted wool, perhaps with some cotton, and definitely with lanolin. The ad itself says, "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" I think. So I submit the picture and the hook align. 7&6=thirteen () 10:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I would support Andrew Davidson's suggestion for an article rename to "Textile performance requirements" though "Fitness for purpose", i.e. what the article is about, would be better. Can this be dealt with before the DYK goes wherever it goes? I also note that there is no clarity as to the composition of gabardine in anything written here. Cotton? wool? lanolin? what knowledge are we going to impart to DYK readers? Will it be accurate, or do we not care? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Read the preceding post. Renaming the article is fine. That should be addessed at the article talk page, however. "A rose by any other name ..." 7&6=thirteen () 12:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
The preceding post, which you wrote, says "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" which doesn't pass muster, so again I ask what is the composition of gabardine, Cotton? wool? lanolin? (hint: Lanolin would not be required as a component in the UK garment labelling requirements, so you just need to clarify what gabardine consists of. I'll wait in this shallow grave shall I? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
You could do this yourself, but that would be too much to ask. So I won't. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 15:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Following the above response, this article is clearly unsuitable for DYK. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Repetition doesn't make your observations any more persuasive. You said that before, and your colors are showing again. A leopard can't change its spots. And Ipse dixit doesn't apply. 7&6=thirteen () 16:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Here is the answer. "What is Gabardine – Fabric Guide, Uses and Care". and Varley, Rosemary; Roncha, Ana; Radclyffe-Thomas, Natascha; Gee, Liz (2018). CASE STUDY 10: Burberry and brand development and retail. Fashion Management: A Strategic Approach. United Kingdom: Macmillan International Higher Education. p. 208. ISBN 9781137508195. ISBN 1137508191. 7&6=thirteen () 16:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 20Edit

David Hale (baseball)

David Hale pitching for the Atlanta Braves
  • Reviewed: Joan Boada
  • Comment: The Athletic source is behind a paywall.

Improved to Good Article status by GhostRiver (talk). Self-nominated at 14:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC).

  •  Hi Kncny11, review follows: article promoted to GA on 20 June; is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't find any overly close paraphrasing from a sample of the sources; a QPQ has been carried out; image is OK and freely licensed. Couple of minor issues with the hooks as proposed:
  • ALT0: I couldn't find the date of his thesis mentioned in the article, it only discusses his graduation in 2011, did he go back after? His lumbar injury was in 2019 according to the article, though there is mention of a groin strain in 2015.
  • ALT1: The article doesn't say that he was released and re-signed on the same day, only that he was "briefly released"
Other than that, looking good - Dumelow (talk) 07:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 21Edit

Klassische Philharmonie Bonn

Klassische Philharmonie Bonn in 2011

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC).

  •   While the article meets requirements and a QPQ has been performed (only issue is that "Singapur" should be "Singapore"), the hook is frankly not very interesting. A German orchestra performing in Germany almost feels like a given and doesn't really say anything "hooky" about the subject. Given the group's history, surely there's information out there about it that can be interesting even to non-opera fans? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
    I am sorry that the hook is obviously not clear enough. Two my knowledge, this is the only orchestra - but I'm not sure enough to say so - to run a concert series at twelve halls. I don't know any playing a series even at two. Can you help wording, - stress on "series", they play the same programs in all these cities. I don't understand though what's unclear. How can we add "different cities" without being clumsy and redundant (because even big cities have usually only one (sometimes two) "major concert hall". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
    ALT1: ... that the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn (pictured), a symphony orchestra founded and conducted by Heribert Beissel, has a tradition of playing a concert series at more than ten major halls of Germany?
    How is that? The twelfth was added recently, so we'd need to drop the elegance of a short number. We can only hope that the tradition will continue now that Beissel died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
You have to ask yourself this question: would someone who isn't into classical music find the original hook interesting? ALT1 is better (I'm not really sure if the mention of Beissel is essential to the hook but that's just me) and I'm more willing to approve it, although admittedly it's still a relatively niche hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I have to note that the spelling of Singapore still hasn't been fixed in the article. I've somewhat warmed up to approving ALT1 as there appears to be no other suitable hook material at this time; however the article needs to be consistent: the lede still mentions the 12 number, however the list in the Wiener Klassik section only mentions 11. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
    I changed it to "ten and more", twelve seems to be the current number, but ten and eleven look like having the tradition. I also fixed the spelling that missed translation. In such cases, I simply do it myself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that the precursor ensemble of the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn (pictured) was founded in 1959 to perform music originally played at the Bonn court of the Electorate of Cologne? Grimes2 (talk) 18:33, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
To be honest I was originally confused by ALT2's hook facts in the article, as I thought the predecessor group was founded to play music for the Electorate (as opposed to playing music that was originally performed during the electorate). In any case, the article wording could probably be rephrased to avoid confusion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  Done Grimes2 (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I'd like to hear Gerda's thoughts on ALT2 first before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
My thoughts: while ALT2 is fine, I believe that ALT1 is a much more specific thing to say about the orchestra. There are several such focused groups named for what they focus one, but the present orchestra - which should stay bolded imho - left that focus. Actually, there may be an article about the predecessor group some day. IF we pursue ALT2, the name of that predecessor group should also be part of the hook to explain it. The electorate hangs in the air without the connection. - I tried to say nothing, but was asked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Adding the name of the predecessor group is going to make the hook too long: just adding the name alone would make ALT2 over 190 characters. Readers could always read the article itself if they want to learn more. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 22Edit

Permanent income hypothesis

Improved to Good Article status by BasedMises (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  N - No
  • Interesting:  Y
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   Article is new enough, long enough and well sourced. No issues with neutrality or copyvio. The hook's interest seems fine to me but I rephrased it as ALT1 to address Daniel Case's concerns. One problem: the source cited in the hook does not seem to mention the "permanent income hypothesis" specifically. It definitely alludes to it, but I'd think a more precise source would be better. If that got added I would be ready to approve. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:31, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Does this work? BasedMisesMont Pelerin 01:03, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
That could work. It's a primary source but the Nobel Foundation is reliable for information about the Nobel Prize. It could be used in combination with the original source you provided. There is one issue @BasedMises: the fact in the article it also has to be cited. The article cites Worek's offline book, so I'm assuming the book says that. If it doesn't we have to fix that. Otherwise we can (and probably should) use the citation from the article in the hook to keep it consistent. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Pinging @BasedMises: it's been over a week and I wasn't sure if you saw the last comment. This nom needs just a little more work on the sources to get it up to spec. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Sorry. I kind of forgot about this. I think I'll add the Nobel source to the article.BasedMisesMont Pelerin 05:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Don't worry about it! I figured you probably just forgot or were busy. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Dull hook. Does anyone who wins the economics Nobel win for just one thing they did? No. And really, the hook should be something about the subject of the article, not the person who created that subject. Daniel Case (talk) 04:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 23Edit

Stadium district

The Battery Atlanta, an example of a stadium district
  • ... that mixed-use stadium districts (example pictured) around major sports venues often include public squares, office space, hotels and residential units? Source: Various — see the sources in the "Characteristics" section
  • Reviewed: Chris Gittens
  • Comment: Thanks to TNats3 for starting this and leaving it in draftspace when he opted to create a more anonymous user account. This is rather different from my normal DYK fare.

Moved to mainspace by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 23:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 25Edit

Psalm 86

  • ... that three verses from Psalm 86 became part of Mendelssohn's oratorio Elijah, including the opening "Lord, bow thine ear to our pray'r"? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Pole Vault (communications system)
  • Comment: Sigh, I tried to expand, thinking of Yoninah. Strictly speaking it's still too short. Only: the part that made it "long" was unsourced and is no longer in the article, because I don't understand what it was supposed to mean, so can't source it. IAR? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC).

  •   Regrettably, with a starting point of 833 prose characters, and a current length of 2846 prose characters (I am subtracting that odd IMSLP template-created text at the end of the Morales sentence that generated 106 characters that don't belong), this is not quite a 3.5x expansion, far from the required 5x. Even with the removed material, it didn't achieve 4x at 3259 prose characters, and IAR is simply not given for insufficient expansions. At this point, another 1301 prose characters will be needed for it to qualify for DYK. The article was nominated in time and a QPQ was supplied; given the significant length shortfall, I have not checked the sourcing against the article or made any of the policy checks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
    I'll check tomorrow, - sorry, I had other issues, and was away all weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Gerda Arendt, I should probably note that as it is now, the article doesn't discuss the psalm at all in terms of its context or religious meaning. As such, I don't feel it deals adequately with the topic, which is the psalm itself. The music section, which mentions the music written to various combinations of psalm verses, is over 75% of the prose (and it's 85% including the summary in the lead). If you do add to the article, the new material will need to concentrate on the psalm itself. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
      Do you have an idea who could do that? Yoninah would have done it, compare Psalm 85. This is one of about 100 psalm articles missing that part. - For indenting, please see the essay at the top of User talk:Drmies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
      JohnThorne added to the analysis. Where are we then? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
      • Gerda Arendt, ignoring the odd IMSLP template-created text I mentioned above, which has yet to be removed, the article is at 3686 prose characters, and needs to be at 4165 prose characters. You might get there if the newly added first section of the Analysis, talking about the three parts, was put into prose rather than being a numbered list that doesn't count toward the total. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
        BlueMoonset, thank you, that was helpful after all. I tried to avoid it as I had not written that part, but had no better idea, so tried it now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 27Edit

Mary Dunn (sports executive)

  • ... that in ice hockey, Mary Dunn "got many a free ride"? Source: [9]

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 02:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  Y
  • Interesting:  Y
  • Other problems:  N - Hook is unclear/misleading. The context of the "free ride" statement is that when Mary Dunn was on the University of Manitoba Bison women's hockey team, the team practiced with "Andy Blair and other members of the Bison men's hockey team. She recalled in a 1938 interview that the men did not hesitate to use physical contact and she 'got many a free ride' on the ice." Getting a "free ride" sounds to me like the men treated the women players easily which contradicts the idea of the men not hesitating to use physical contact. This is not explained in the article. However, the cited source does clarify it, saying, "Mrs. Jimmie Dunn remembers the time when Varsity girls' hockey team practised with such players as Andy Blair and his contemporaries. If a girl got in their way they would just lift her up and dump her elsewhere. Mrs. Dunn got many a free ride." [10] In other words, the "free ride" was from one part of the ice to wherever the other player put her. I would prefer to use a hook which is clear and not misleading on its own without having to refer to the underlying source to figure out what the hook even means.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   With a better hook, I would be fine with seeing this article at DYK. Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

  • I am completely baffled and have no idea what the reviewer is trying to say. I fail to see what is unclear or misleading. If anyone knows how to fix the infobox image it would be greatly appreciated, since I cannot figure that out either. Flibirigit (talk) 14:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
    • I have inquired at Wikipedia:Help desk for help with the image and asked a couple smarter editors to assist with the hook. Flibirigit (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
      • The file was listed as 0×0 pixels so it wasn't displaying properly. I reuploaded it and it seems to be okay now. I also moved the fair use rationale to the licensing. The file page could use a description of the image in the summary section. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
  • In ice hockey, is it common to refer to someone being lifted up by an opponent and placed somewhere else on the ice as "getting a free ride"? If it is, then I would be willing to withdraw my objection. But I can't find evidence of that. By contrast, see this New York Times article where "getting a free ride" implies being treated easily without being checked. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I think the quote "got many a free ride" is unclear in both the hook and the article (as compared to the source). We generally don't want the hooks to be confusing or misleading (outside of April Fools). It's unclear (a) what "free ride" means and (b) whether "got many" means that Dunn 'received many free rides' or 'gave free rides to many (others)'. In the context of university athletics, I thought a "free ride" meant a full scholarship, and that she somehow arranged these for many athletic students. Others might think this has something to do with a heavy check (ice hockey), that she was a very physical player who sent others flying. What the source means is that she was often picked up and carried by opposing male players during practices. In the 1930s, "free ride" was probably much more associated with transportation (migratory populations, hobos and such). The article should make this clear (the meaning, not the bit about hobos) and I feel an alternative phrasing for the hook is warranted. I also feel there could be another hook about her accomplishments as a sports organizer. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
    • The following are some ALTs. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
      • ALT0a: ... that Mary Dunn was often carried out of the way by male opponents during ice hockey practices?Source: [11]
      • ALT0b: ... that male opponents often carried Mary Dunn out of their way during ice hockey practices?Source: [12]
      • ALT1: ... that Mary Dunn organized women's athletics and ice hockey in 1930s Manitoba?
  • I appreciate the suggestion of hooks, but I still do not comprehend what is being said. I will contemplate for several days, maybe a week, then comment when I am ready. Flibirigit (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Going off of Reidgreg ALT suggestions: HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT0a: ... that Mary Dunn was often carried out of the way by male opponents during ice hockey practices, which she described as a free ride?
  • ALT0b: ... that male opponents often gave Mary Dunn a free ride by carrying her of their way during ice hockey practices?
  • ALT0c: ... that the Winnipeg Free Press described Mary Dunn as "one of the boys"?
  • I feel like I am burnt out from Wikipedia and have a brain cramp with respect to this nomination. I hope to revisit sometime later this week. Sorry for any inconvenience. Flibirigit (talk) 15:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I have contemplated this for a while and feel it is best to remove all instances of "free ride" and to consider other hooks. I appreciate the remainining hooks proposed, but have struck the word "often" from the hockey hooks since the cited source does not say it happened often, just that it happened. I am fine with the other hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 01:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 28Edit

Early life and career of Joe Biden

Joe Biden in the 1950s

Created by Ganesha811 (talk). Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk) at 02:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC).

  •   I don't think this is eligible. Per WP:DYK: a "new" article is no more than seven days old, and may not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing article and The content with which the article has been expanded must be new content, not text copied from other articles. As this is spin-off from Joe Biden, it isn't eligible in its current form. It would be if promoted to GA status, though. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
  Changing icon to a more appropriate one pending the result of the GA nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 1Edit

Safad El Battikh, Kafra, Lebanon and Ayta al-Jabal

Map of the area, ca 1880s

Created by Huldra (talk). Self-nominated at 20:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC).

  • I'll be reviewing these shortly, inşallah. Afraid I think the map is not interesting enough though. QPQ? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
We can think more about the hook later but for now what do you think about linking "Ottoman" to Ottoman archives?Chidgk1 (talk) 13:10, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
I am having trouble finding the villages in the book e.g. at https://books.google.com.tr/books?redir_esc=y&hl=tr&id=wqULAAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Kafra so might the names be transliterated differently? Not really useful for DYK as behind a login but is it worth me logging on to https://katalog.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/ to try and find the document? I know a little Turkish but I don't know the Ottoman language so would it be too difficult or do you know exactly what I would search for? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:15, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Checked all articles new enough and long enough, Earwig found no copyvio Chidgk1 (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
You have put "area" in infobox but I could not find cite. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Notified Huldra that the ball is now in her court Chidgk1 (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  Inserting the blue question mark as the standard indicator that a DYK review is in progress. Flibirigit (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • User:Chidgk1 Thank you for your comments! I'm sorry, but forgot the QPQ; will start on it as soon as I have answered here.
  • As for the HA-book (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah-book =1596 info): it is in English; and the identification is done via grid-numbers; for Kafra 183/286 Palestine grid; apparently it was called Kfur Tibnin in 1596; ie you have to search for the 1596 name, not the present name. (I have the tables; and the key, on my computer, and can send it to you, if you like?) (I am afraid old history like this is very rarely available on the net; at least not in this area). (Also; "Kfur Tibnin" has dots over the "U" and the second "I"; search does not work for me on books.google.)
  • It would be great to have a link directly to the original Defter, if they are online? I could give you the defter-number? But I suspect that will not be easy if you are not pretty confident in Turkish...and useless if that Safad-defter is not online.
  • The "area" in infobox is given in the localiban-ref, same for elevation; I guess I should add them as a ref? Now it is only linked under "External links",
  • And I would love to have a better picture; I don't have high hopes though; few of these villages have pictures uploaded of them. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Reviewing Svante Odén Huldra (talk) 22:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes please make localiban a ref for area. I managed to log in so please could you put the defter number in a footnote to the article (if you don't know how to do a footnote put it here and I will do) so I can search - thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 06:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
User:Chidgk1: It is defter no 72 (="the number which they bear in the Tapu ve Kadastro Arsivi in Ankara"); located in Ankara. According to HA (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah), p. 4, it is from 1596/97 CE (=1005 H), but according to Rhode (citing Bernard Lewis) p. 6 it is from 1548/9 CE (=955AH), cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I could not find the document under defter number 72 (could be my incompetence). But searching for keyword Safed (presumably the republican spelling/transliteration) with a date of 1005H shows 3 documents including:

Belge Özeti : Safed livasının kanunnamesiyle nüfus ve hasılatını ve tımarlarını ve evkafını havi mufassal tahrir defteri.

Yer Bilgisi : 686 -

Belge Tarihi : H-29-12-1005

Kurum : TT.d...

I cannot read Ottoman so I don't know if that is the right one, but if you think it might be I guess if we mention it in a footnote then hopefully an expert would be able to confirm or deny in future? It is a bit ridiculous that only Turkish nationals can log in - do you know a suitable Turkish academic or if not I will try and find one. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry, I don't know any Turkish academics. There are 6-700 references to the HA 1596 defter (a list here: User:Huldra/HA) on en.wp; it would be absolutely great if we one day could link directly to the original defter! If/when that day comes; I would go through User:Huldra/HA and link them all....Huldra (talk) 20:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Also; I see that the Facebook page of Safad El Battikh has a lot of pictures (from the Church, mostly). I am not on facebook, but we could possibly reach out to them for a picture? Huldra (talk) 22:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 2Edit

Fixed anvil temperature hypothesis

Anvil clouds rising over a thunderstorm

Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 3 July 2021 (UTC).


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing:  N - We seem to be at the frontiers of science with this topic and so the extent to which such sources can be considered reliable is debatable. I'd prefer a MEDRS level of sourcing – reviews or other statements of general consensus.
  • Neutral:  N - The article says that the hypothesis is "widely accepted" but that's not quite my impression. The source for that para says that it's popular but then proceeds to argue against it.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:  Y

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  N - The hook's expression "anvil clouds warm less than Earth's surface" is an over-simplication which distorts the hypothesis. As I understand it, the hypothesis is that anvil clouds tend to top out in a fixed way, you'd get more of them with general warming and so there's a positive feedback. Expressing this succinctly and accurately in a hook seems difficult.
  • Interesting:  Y

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:   I'm tempted to edit the article myself but will give the nominator some space first... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Jo-Jo Eumerus, Andrew Davidson, it's been three weeks since the review and I don't see any article edits; where does this nomination stand? Jo-Jo Eumerus, please note that responding inside that DYK checklist template can prevent the approved nomination from being moved by the bot to the Approved page; I'd like to suggest that you move your comments so they are below the template (either just above or just below this comment), so their placement doesn't cause issues down the road. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
    OK, moved my comments to all the red issues here:
    • According to Web of Science, this is the only review article available. There is also this IPCC report which mentions it. You are not going to get an useful article out of only review articles, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
    • That wouldn't be a very high-weight objection, then, since it'd be backed by only one paper. From reading the rest of the literature I get the impression that only the two refinements discussed but they apparently haven't caught on yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
    • No, the hypothesis is precisely that anvil clouds don't warm if Earth's surface does. Their total volume is a different theory altogether. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Changed the caption, but I am not sure if the image description is enough of a source for the caption to say "Hector". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

93% Club

  • ... that the 93% Club is the alternative to the Bullingdon Club? Source: "We can all picture that archetypal Bullingdon Club member clad in a bespoke £3,500 tailcoat, bought specially for the riotous dinners that are the hallmark of this famously snobbish Oxford University drinking club. At our ‘alternative Bullingdon’ club, though, a £10 hoodie and jeans is permissible." ([13])
    • ALT1:... that the 93% Club is named for the proportion of university undergraduates who were state educated? Source: "Sophie describes the 93% Club as the "reverse Bullingdon Club" - the opposite of the private male-only dining club at Oxford University whose past members include David Cameron, George Osborne and Boris Johnson. Despite representing 93% of the population, "state-educated students struggle to see themselves reflected in the UK's decision makers, chief executives, actors, artists and the like" ([14])
  • Reviewed: Françoise Hardy
  • Comment: I am one of the 93% (three A-levels, state comprehensive)

Created by 15 (talk) and Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 15:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article's new and long enough, and within policy. Hook wording may need slight revisions; "the alternative to" seems to suggest a similar club, not a deliberate opposite as is the case here. ALT1 would work if it's clarified that the statistics are for UK universities; perhaps something like this?
ALT2: ... that the 93% Club is named for the proportion of UK undergraduates who were state-educated?
Hope this is helpful.--Lemuellio (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
ALT2 works for me. Do we need a new reviewer now? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
I think the 93% refers to the share of the UK population (The Foundation – named after the percentage of people who are state school educated in the UK [15]), not just students. It should just be replaced by "share of British people" or similar, I have fixed the error in the article. 15 (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Ritchie333, please check the most recent comment by 15 and create a new ALT hook per their comment and the recent change to the article. I have struck all existing hooks as problematic. It wasn't until I read the article that I realized this wasn't an actual club but a charity (and student-run at that) to aid the vast majority of students, now at university, who have been educated in the state-run school system rather than at non-state (privately run) schools. Try to make the hook something that would be understood by non-UK readers: the original hook was completely opaque, and the first ALT lacked important context. Once we have a new hook in place, I'll call for a new reviewer. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 3Edit

Theatre of the World

Moved to mainspace by Thelisteninghand (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:13, 10 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   The article meets DYK requirements and no close paraphrasing was found. A QPQ has been done. The hook fact, while mentioned in the article's lede section, does not have a footnote in the relevant sentence. More importantly however, the hook admittedly seems plain (it just says that it premiered in Los Angeles, which isn't really a hooky fact). I think there's more potential in the "grotesque stagework" angle or perhaps something based on the reception section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:06, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
  • It should also be noted that Thelisteninghand left a comment earlier in the nomination which for some reason they commented out; it can be seen when editing this page. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:06, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
    I think it's quite a surprise that the work by a Dutch composer premieres in Los Angeles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
It's not very clear in the hook and the way it's written doesn't really make for an interesting fact by itself. Can you expand the article and propose other alternative facts? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:18, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Suggesting an ALT:
ALT1 ... that Theatre of the World, the fifth opera by Louis Andriessen, has been described as a "grotesque stagework"?
I also note that the article states that the opera received mixed reviews, but the actual article text doesn't suggest that at all (and indeed the quotes given are either neutral or positive). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 5Edit

Rainer Trost

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy, but this hook is pretty awful. Tenor does job is not all that interesting, and, let's face it, performing internationally is what working opera singers do. Gerda Arendt, perhaps with a little digging some other more interesting fact might reveal itself? Perhaps some sort of critical assessment of his voice from a recording review or performance?4meter4 (talk) 02:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
    Thank you. Article was translated, and when it was time to nominate, there was just time to format some things, not to expand. I'll see what I can do, but other things have waited for longer, such as improving a singer from stub status, and there are more articles waiting for the formatting step. Patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
    I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Ezo chipmunk, working on my reviewing backlog first. This is #2 in the article backlog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
    4meter4, I added a review now, but it's fine - and could be quoted more - not really attention-grabbing. This one is known for Mozart roles, so why not mention that? We could name roles - some known, some unknown - and I tried to name locations to hint at importance. Being called to a place again and again tells us something about the impression he made. How could we say elegantly that he sang several of these at both places? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @4meter4: Suggesting an alt: ALT1 ... that prior to starting his operatic career, tenor Rainer Trost studied law? Looking at the article, personally I thought that him studying law before becoming a singer was more interesting and unusual than performing in multiple places. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
    Many singers did something else before turning to singing. This one sang Mozart Mozart Mozart and little else, - that is specific about him. (Others focus on Bach, or Wagner, or have no spcialty.) Any help to say that + that he received international invitations welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
I would disagree that he has done little else outside Mozart in opera. Just take a look at his diverse repertoire on opera base https://www.operabase.com/artists/rainer-trost-14368/performances/en and https://www.operabase.com/artists/rainer-trost-14368/repertoire/en His work encompasses Handel, Britten, Wagner, Berg, Donizetti, Rossini, Beethoven, Strauss, Stravinsky, etc. Yes, Mozart has been an area he has excelled in, but certainly not the only thing he has done. Recently there doesn’t seem to be much Mozart on his schedule, and he’s done other operas like Lulu at La Monnaie, Death in Venice at the Vienna State Opera, and The Flying Dutchman at Bayreuth.4meter4 (talk) 23:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Honestly I don't think the average reader would really find it that interesting that he performed Mozart in different places. Remember that most of Wikipedia's readers probably don't know much about opera, so what's really needed is to highlight some fact about the subject that even these kinds of readers can appreciate. Having a hook that essentially requires deeper knowledge about opera and composers makes for a very narrow-focused and niche hook, which goes against the spirit of DYK's aim to appeal to the widest audience. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Repeating: A reader who would not want to know what kind of tenor some tenor is will not enjoy any of the article. 4meter4, what would you say for a hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Gerda, are you trying to say that the hook is supposed to appeal to a smaller audience? Wouldn't the goal be to make sure that the article can be enjoyed by anyone regardless of background, rather than only those who have an interest in opera? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Well honestly I like Narutolovehinara5’s alternative suggestion based on the content currently in the article. It’s the most interesting piece of personal information that makes this particular singer different. There’s a lot of Mozart singing opera performers who travel to perform, and as I said above it’s a boring fact. The fact that he studied law but switched paths to opera adds a human element which is appealing. If you want to highlight his work in Mozart, I suggest finding a source which has something interesting to say about his work as a Mozart specialist (preferably a quote by critic or musicologist) and than using that as a hook. As it stands I am not sold on the Mozart roles in multiple cities idea. Being one of the most frequently performed opera composers, Mozart is the bread and butter of about half of all opera singers. They all travel to do his operas in cities around the globe. It’s not an unusual fact.4meter4 (talk) 12:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Go ahead, I have no time to argue. If I was Mr. Trost I'd not like something I left behind being the only thing said about my current work, but ... - Can we perhaps add German lyric tenor, to distinguish from heldentenors? - Very few sing Mozart well, but he does, compared favorably to the unique Fritz Wunderlich. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
We even have Mozart tenor, - the things I learn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the offer, perhaps:
*ALT2a: ... that Rainer Trost became recognised internationally in 1992 appearing as Ferrando in Mozart's Così fan tutte in Paris, with conductor John Eliot Gardiner?
... or without Gardiner, or other combinations --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Again, hooks about performing roles. In addition, the hook doesn't address 4meter4's original concern about being a hook that's about a tenor doing his job. I'd heavily advise against it, unless perhaps a review could be found about his Ferrando role and some quotes about it could be mentioned in the hook. Something like "that a review of Rainer Trost's breakthrough role as Ferrando in Così fan tutte as [insert quote here]". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:41, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Gardiner needs to be in the article, to start with. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I do like the alternative hook by Grimes2 because it is more specific and working with a major conductor like Gardiner is a more interesting fact. However, as Gerda pointed out that content is not currently in the article. If it is added with an inline citation to a verifiable source I would think we could approve ALT2.4meter4 (talk) 15:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I prefer ALT2a, it's more elegant. Gardiner's recording is mentioned in the article under Recordings/DVD. Grimes2 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, but the hook fact about it being his breakthrough role or being recognized internationally isn't in the article.4meter4 (talk) 16:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  Done Grimes2 (talk) 17:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  The language you added doesn't match either hook. "Launched his international career" simply means he began performing outside his native country, whereas 'international recognition' or 'breakthrough performance' implies critical success in terms of audience reaction and response of others working in the field. As written, neither of these hooks can be promoted until the hook language matches what is in the article.4meter4 (talk) 02:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
This is a good hook, and it does exist in the article, but buried in the references. It's my understanding that the hook fact must come from content actually in the body of the article. Might I suggest moving this quote into the prose section of the article instead of placing it in a referential note.4meter4 (talk) 02:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
  Done Grimes2 (talk) 04:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 6Edit

Wolf Matthias Friedrich

5x expanded by Grimes2 (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article meets DYK requirements, close paraphrasing found, QPQ provided. The hook is yet another "actor plays a role" hook, which isn't really a surprising or notable fact, not to mention the hook is reliant on knowledge about opera. Can something else about Friedrich's life or career be mentioned here instead? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
    You are welcome to search, but I picked this as unusual, pointing at his interest in the revival of forgotten music, at a notable festival whicih also provides a location (sparing the need to say "German bass" which would cause a link - to bass - which I try to avoid). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Wolf Matthias Friedrich, bass with a preference for Baroque opera, has performed at Handel Festival and Schwetzingen Festival? Grimes2 (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
    Thank you for the offer, but ... - bass has too many meanings, same for Handel festival (there are three in Germany alone). Also: singing at festivals is really just a singer doing his job. Performing a very specific exceptional thing is much more, imho. Telling our readers he dares to do a modern revival tells them a lot about him. Many other singers would stick to the standard repertoire. I prefer to give a specific example, instead of a general "preference of Baroque opera" (which would also be better with a link). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT0 is the best hook possible for that unknown singer. It's a "actor plays a role" hook, but the biographies in the bible of opera singers "Großes Sängerlexikon" consists mainly of roles. That's nothing bad for a hook. Grimes2 (talk) 13:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Can more information about Friedrich's early and personal life be added to the article, if possible? Maybe there's more information about him out there that could work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
No information available. Grimes2 (talk) 09:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking Gerda. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
But I wrote large parts of the article, and know the sources. Grimes2 (talk) 09:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't know, but honestly the hook isn't really that interesting to non-opera fans, at least as currently written. Had the opera at least been one that was fairly well-known in the public consciousness, perhaps the hook would have work, but that isn't the case here. If there's really nothing else that can be used as a hook material then unfortunately the nomination may need to be closed as unsuccessful. He seems to have had a successful career but it appears that perhaps the article just wasn't meant to be for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
I think under this conditions it's better to abandon that nomination. What do you think, Gerda? Grimes2 (talk) 10:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Cornelia Chase Brant

Cornelia Chase Brant when she was dean of her college
  • ... that Nellie Chase (pictured) dreamed of becoming a doctor and did not go to medical college until she was 35 but rose to become its head?

5x expanded by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 10:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article looks good and well sourced, eligible for DYK. However, I think the hook might need some work: it would be helpful to name her institution (New York Medical College and Hospital for Women), as well as make it more clear that she became the dean at the same college she studied at, because the phrases "go to medical college" and "rose to become its head" are very vague. I'm also not sure whether it would be accurate to call her "its head"; it says in the article that she became dean of the college, which may or may not be the title for the head of the college, but it is not clarified in any of the sources as to whether this is the case. Otherwise, I think this article is ready for DYK.alphalfalfa(talk) 04:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 7Edit

Articles created/expanded on July 8Edit

Articles created/expanded on July 9Edit

Heidi Grant Murphy

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC).

  • Just a comment and not a review, but her teaching at said music school isn't really the interesting fact here, it's her performing at the Met over 200 times. Perhaps focus on that instead? Like ALT1... that soprano Heidi Grant Murphy has performed over 200 times at the Metropolitan Opera? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
    I don't understand. It's mentioned, but her specialty is returning to her roots. If we look closer, she had mostly supporting roles, often overlooked by the audience, so overall her impact on the music world may pretty well be her teaching in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)"
Gerda, I think you're missing the point here. Hooks don't necessarily need to be about the most important contributions or events in a person's life, more often than not they tend to be about one fact that is supposed to entice readers to read the article more (which can but isn't always an important contribution). For example, in an article about an opera singer who was a chemist before starting their opera career, what do you think would the general reader who knows little-to-nothing about opera find more interesting: that the opera singer has a background as a chemist, or that they performed a role in an opera? I understand that you want to highlight something special about her career, but hooks don't always work that way, especially when there are other hook facts about a subject that could be more effective in encouraging the reader to read more about the subject. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - Here are two ideas for alternate hooks (both based on a New York Times citation: [21]
ALT 1: ... that the soprano Heidi Grant Murphy said that opera works on one's innermost being? – New York Times
ALT 2: ... that the soprano Heidi Grant Murphy is part of a classical music power couple? – New York Times Netherzone (talk) 15:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT 3: ... that soprano Heidi Grant Murphy, who has given over 200 performances at the Met, said that opera works on one's innermost being? Netherzone (talk) 15:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  •   I really like ALT1 and ALT3, but the innermost being wording is currently not in the article. Can that be added? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
I've also made some minor formatting changes to Netherzone's hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:16, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - Thank you Narutolovehinata5, Gerda Arendt, Done. I have added the content to the article from the New York Times, such that it complies with the hook re: "innermost being". Please let me know if this works. Best, Netherzone (talk) 02:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 10Edit

Melville Monument

5x expanded by CPClegg (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   This article flags as a bit short, unfortunately: 20147 characters when it was at 4512 (requiring 22560 characters prose). I see there has been some instability prior to the expansion; is this related? It does have appropriate citation density. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 06:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Hi, Sammi Brie, that's odd: the javascript tool's showing me 31,009 for the published article and 38,537 for the plain text. Yes, it did have issues with one persistent vandal before the expansion but since then has been very stable. Thanks for taking a look.CPClegg (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @CPClegg: Still showing as 20,147 here. Very unusual. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 14:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • CPClegg, Sammi Brie, I just used DYKcheck on the article, and noticed that it was counting the "See also" section, which it isn't supposed to ("See also" is supposed to be a bulleted section per MOS:SEEALSO, so I've added the needed bullet); this takes it down to 20109 prose characters. I'm not sure why the javascript tool is so wildly off from DYKcheck—38537 was the total number of bytes rather than text at the time—but DYKcheck is what we go by. Another 2451 prose characters will be needed to reach a fivefold expansion. (I did check around the vandalism, and 4512 prose characters is the starting point as Sammi Brie notes above.) CPClegg, I hope that won't be a problem! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 11Edit

Pisanhari ki Marhia

Pisanhari ki Marhia
  • ... that a Jain temple campus sprawling across 18 acres named Pisanhari Ki Marhia is a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed a one room temple by saving money from milling flours in 1442 CE. Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.

Created by Loveallwiki (talk) and Pratyk321 (talk). Nominated by Loveallwiki (talk) at 06:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC).

  • @Loveallwiki:, I have rephrased the hook. Please let me know your thoughts on this? Pratyk321 (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @Pratyk321:, Good, i have modified it a little to emphasize the notability due to vintage and present expanse. pl have a look.LoveAll (talk). 06:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @Loveallwiki: We're not looking to say everything in the hook, just need to mention something interesting that readers will click on to find out more. Let's keep both hooks. The reviewer can help us decide the best-suited hook. Thanks and regards Pratyk321 (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Aging of the United States

Created by Mover of molehills (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

Oppose because it is not true. The United States's fertility rate, with the exception of a brief boom in the mid-2000s has been below replacement levels for decades. funplussmart (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@Funplussmart: Thank you for clearing that up, and for making the correction in the article. Do you think that the main hook could still be valid, though? Mover of molehills (talk) 12:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  No opinion on notability of the article, I will review according to DYK rules. Date (just) in time, length fine and hook is sourced and inlinely cited. However @Mover of molehills: this can't proceed with the merge tag on it. QPQ is not needed as this is Mover's first nomination. No close paraphrasing. Please ping me once that merge discussion is concluded and I can pass this. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Comment I don't love ALT0 actually. For one thing it's not all that interesting on its own, for another it is "an alarmist term in eugenics which is...well it is about as racist as it sounds. Also, the newspaper article cited is actually misleading, and the person who made the article mistakenly attributed Roosevelt's speech to 1900. In reality, the speech quoted was delivered in 1906, I assume the date of 1900 refers to the birth rate statistic. This doesn't mean we can't have it in a hook, but it ought to have a bit more context as that fixes all of those issues imo. I'm proposing ALT2 for this. I have also edited the article to correct the date. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:37, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
@BuySomeApples: Thank you, I think that's a good point. I like Alt2 as well. Additionally, @The C of E: I did complete the merge, so let me know when you're ready to continue with the nomination. Mover of molehills (talk) 14:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
@Funplussmart: Do you have any more comments? Mover of molehills (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I do not like ALT0 or because due to it being not very remarkable and seems to support racism and eugenics. I am neutral regarding ALT2 as it has added context. funplussmart (talk) 20:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Roar-ee the Lion

Roar-ee the Lion at a game against Cornell, 2018

Created by Alphalfalfa (talk). Self-nominated at 05:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  Y
  • Interesting:  Y
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ:  N - Not done
Overall:   Needs QPQ as this would be your 6th DYK. The second hook is more interesting. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 15:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gaia Octavia Agrippa: The nominator hasn't edited since July 20th. Would you be okay with me donating a QPQ in their place? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 12Edit

Margarita Gritskova

  • Reviewed: Andantino (ballet)
  • Comment: Carreras should be known beyond opera specialists, either as one of The Three Tenors or for his fight with leukemia. Those who don't know him will not profit from the mezzo's article.

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article meets DYK requirements, is free from close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. The hook seems too reliant on names that may not be well-known to a general audience (except perhaps Carnegie Hall), can a more broadly-appealing hook be suggested here? Perhaps something about Gritskova's life, or maybe reviews of her career? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
    Did you read my explanation, which I wrote with you in mind? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
"Those who don't know him will not profit from the mezzo's article", which as far as I understand means the hook doesn't work unless people know who Carreras is, which I assume isn't most of our readers. Wouldn't the goal be to make sure that even those who don't know the subject will find the hook interesting? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
You didn't answer my question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
I did, and that was my response to it. You state that you want Carreras to be known for his career or his battle with leukemia, but firstly the nomination is about Gritskova and not Carreras, and secondly neither of those facts are actually in the hook (I should point out that the farewell concert isn't mentioned in Carreras's article, though that won't affect the status of this nomination). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
I seem to have a language problem. I said that Carreras will be known as one of The Three Tenors, the three tenors who toured worldwide at their time, and were in the press a lot, and attracted masses of not opera lovers but sensation lovers. On top of that he was also in the press for his successful fight with leukemia, which was covered by a different kind of press. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
I'll add the farewell tour to his article on DYK day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
ps: the Carnegie Hall event (+ unmentioned tour, and regardless of his name) also adds to the internationality of her career, coming from Russia, but his name will add extra interest, promised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
I've no better hook. ALT0 works well, Carreras is a famous tenor. Grimes2 (talk) 05:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

M1 (İzmir Metro)

A train on the M1 line
  • ... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, entered into service in 2000? Source: Consisting of 10 stations, it began service on 22 May 2000.[1]
    • ALT1:... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, is still in the process of being extended? Source: Work on the 7.2 km (4.5 mi) long Fahrettin Altay–Kaymakamlık extension to the west began on 9 June 2018 and are planned to be finished in October 2022, at a cost of ₺1.027 billion.[2]
    • ALT2:... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, is 19.8 km (12.3 mi) long? Source: [3]
    • ALT3 ... that the tenders for extension of M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, has been cancelled several times? Source:

The İzmir Metropolitan Municipality sent a cease and desist letter to the company on 14 February 2006, and subsequently cancelled the tender in November 2006.[4]

  • The tender was cancelled on 13 August 2009 after the contractor had requested a 15-month extension.[5]
  • ... but it was again cancelled by the Public Procurement Authority due to unspecified reasons.[4]
  • A new tender was issued in October 2009 to finish the remaining work. However, that tender was cancelled by the Public Procurement Authority.[6]
  • A third tender was made in April 2010, but it was cancelled by the municipality after the court reverted the cancellation of the second tender. The municipality signed an agreement with the winner of the second tender but the agreement was reverted after the high court reversed the decision of lower court about the second tender. A fourth tender was issued in August 2010 and construction started in September.[7]
  • ALT4 ... that the construction of M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, has stopped because the contractor company couldn't finish the construction on time and requested 12 months more? Source: The construction was fully stopped in 2008 after the contractor could not finish the extension and requested 12 months more, which was refused.[8]
  • Reviewed: [[]]
  • Comment: This is my first nomination to DYK, so if I made any mistakes, feel free to give feedback.

Improved to Good Article status by Ahmetlii (talk). Self-nominated at 14:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC).

  • Non reviewer comment Hi, I've had the page on my watchlist due to my copyedit from a while back. Just popping in to say that none of these hooks are really that interesting; they are more trivial facts about the line. Something that could be more interesting is the many cancellations and re-approval of the tenders, as that is unusual. :) — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 15:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  Y
  • Interesting:  N - None of the hooks given are particularly suited for DYK, though the cancellations could be spun into a proper hook with some work.
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   I don't think this article is ready for DYK, and it probably shouldn't have been passed at GAN in its current state. There are a lot of grammatical issues that need to be fixed, some sources may need to be replaced with reliable versions, and quite a few essential sections (frequency, ridership, a route description, more detailed fare information, technical details only found in the infobox) are missing from the prose. SounderBruce 04:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


  1. ^ "İzmir Metro A.Ş. Tanıtım Kitabı" (PDF). İzmir Metro A.Ş. Archived (PDF) from the original on 5 July 2010. Retrieved 26 July 2014.
  2. ^ "Büyükşehir'den 'milyarlık' yatırım" (in Turkish). İzmir Büyükşehir Belediyesi. 10 June 2018. Archived from the original on 14 June 2018. Retrieved 10 June 2018.
  3. ^ "İzmir Metro A.Ş. Stratejik Planı 2020–2024" (PDF). İzmir Metro A.Ş. 2019. Archived (PDF) from the original on 10 November 2019. Retrieved 10 November 2019.
  4. ^ a b "İzmirlinin bitmeyen metro çilesi". Evrensel. Retrieved 30 April 2021.
  5. ^ "Üçyol-Üçkuyular hattı bitmiyor". mimdap.org. Retrieved 30 April 2021.
  6. ^ "Metro ihalesi tamam". Yeni Asır. 23 April 2010. Retrieved 4 July 2021.
  7. ^ "BORNOVA METROSU'NDA MUTLU SON". www.izmirmetro.com.tr. İZMİR METRO A.Ş. Retrieved 4 May 2021.
  8. ^ "Büyükşehir tünel için düğmeye bastı". Hürriyet. 8 October 2014. Archived from the original on 14 March 2016. Retrieved 3 January 2016.


TD2 tower in the Mojave National Preserve, California

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   @Maury Markowitz: This is an enjoyable read, new enough and long enough. Image is appropriately licensed. Citation needed to end the sentence ending in Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway. ALT0 is good with [26] as the better link than Dickinson, but I don't see a mention of TD2 in the Ars Technica source (though I'm sure it's a near-identical revival the way it is described). Any potential remediation of these? Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 17:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
@Sammi Brie: The Ars article contains an image of the Long Lines article. This dates to 1949, before the name TD2 was widely used. It's the same set of towers. CP mention removed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:36, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: OK, that makes sense. I still see the CP section; the part that would need to be cited is the only major national-scale dedicated TH installation was in Canada, a joint effort by the Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway. . Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 21:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: I see you're working on Trans Canada Microwave. Is Aspden 1964 from that article appropriate to fill the gap? I can't access its full text, but I bet it would mention TH. Otherwise this can be excised. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 22:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Grace Harrison

Created by Mark Staffieri (talk). Self-nominated at 13:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

  • :*   Date of nomination is in time and length fine. I have taken the liberty of correctly formatting the hook which is cited inline to an offline source that I accept AGF. However @Mark Staffieri: that tag at the top will need removing before this can proceed and as she is representing NZ, the dates should be in dmy format. You'll also need to do a QPQ as I see you have more than 5 credits. Please ping me once those are sorted and I will have another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


  1. ^ The Hockey News, Volume 74, Number 7, Free Agency Preview 2021, Roustan Media, pp.80-81

Motley Crew (song)

Created by VersaceSpace (talk). Self-nominated at 16:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  ?
  • Interesting:  Y
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   Article new enough and is well-sourced and neutral. However, the length of the article is only around 1100. Earwig did not pick up anything major. The hook is interesting; however, I'm not sure it's accurate as the Billboard article only states the title is "seemingly inspired by the icon metal band Mötley Crüe". Nominator only has two prior DYK credits so exempt from QPQ. The article needs a bit of expansion and you may have to offer an alternate hook. Ping me when you're done! Pamzeis (talk) 07:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Courtesy ping of VersaceSpace for the above comments. I'll give this nom another week.   Pamzeis (talk) 06:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
  •   The nominator hasn't edited since July 28th and did not respond to both a talk page notification and a ping. If they return, the nomination can continue, but without a response, the nomination is marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 13Edit

Giedrė Šlekytė

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article meets requirements and a QPQ has been done, but the hook is just a "conductor conducts opera" hook, which is just describing her job. Perhaps a hook about her past would be better? Something like:
ALT1 ... that prior to starting her career as a conductor, Giedrė Šlekytė considered becoming a dancer or journalist?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. Not everybody conducts at the Salzburg Festival, not everybody is willing to conduct for children, and very few are entrusted with new productions right after opening after the lockdown because of the pandemic. The opera - set during the French Revolution - deserves attention. - For me, that a conductor conducts is boring, but what kind of music a conductor conducts at which house is of highest interest, and what that conductor did before is of no interest. My pov. You can do your hooks your way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Not everybody conducts at the Salzburg Festival, not everybody is willing to conduct for children, and very few are entrusted with new productions right after opening after the lockdown because of the pandemic. None of these are evident in the hook Gerda. The typical reader is not going to understand these important things at first glance. You need to get their attention from the get-go with a self-apparent hook, not a hook that requires extensive up-to-date knowledge about the opera industry. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Very generally: I like to say what a subject, especially a living person - is notable for, not something which is peripheral to that, and certainly not only say something peripheral. Do we need another discussion round on project DYK? (Please say no. I have guests and am in vacation mood, so have only time for minimum service these days.) Readers are different, and so DYK should be in order to be broad, not catering to only feed and connect to what everybody knows already. If they don't know the festival or the opera, here's their chance to learn they exist, and if they don't care, fine. We have only 150 chars, and they should be substantial, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
ps: I believe that the interesting name alone may prompt readers to find out if that is a man or woman, coming from where, and why the person is mentioned, - regardless what else the hook says, - so the hook can say something substantial without harm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
In all honesty, if for example there was a hook about a ballet dancer which mentioned that she graduated with a degree in video game development, I personally would find that far more unusual and interesting than a hook about said ballet dancer performing in a production of Swan Lake in Moscow. Because a ballet dancer doing a ballet production is by itself not an eye-raising fact, but if that dancer had a background that wasn't related to ballet, that would be more unique. There isn't something inherently wrong with "performer/conductor performs/conducted work X/Y/Z" hooks, but if that's the entire meat of the hook without mentioning something that catches the attention of not just you but the average reader, then more often than not they don't really work out. Gerda, you really need to keep in mind the interests of the average Wikipedia reader and not assume that every reader who reads the main page knows anything about classical music. You need to catch their attention with something that would make them want to learn more about the person, even if that something isn't necessarily what they're best known for. If the reader wants to read all about their roles and performances, well that's what reading the article is for. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
So we do need another discussion? After vacation. I have three articles waiting (one a recent death, one a psalm in memory of Yoninah), and many reviews waiting, don't even have time to read this, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  This discussion is going nowhere so I'm asking another editor to take a look at this; given that I had proposed a new hook, I would have been unable to give final approval anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that promising conductor Giedrė Šlekytė, formerly 1st Kapellmeister in Klagenfurt, made already her debuts in Dresden, Salzburg, Zürich, Leipzig and Frankfurt? Grimes2 (talk) 11:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I am sorry, but I don't like these "laundry lists" of places in articles, worse in a hook. (... and if places, then links to opera houses, but better not). - Also: imagine you made a great career and someone said "promising" ;) - She is an accomplished musician, and being entrusted with the Poulenc (20th century complex music) at the Opera House of the Year in Europe says so, in other words, while the children's Mozart is meant to add a touch for a smile. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT2a: ... that young Lithuanian conductor Giedrė Šlekytė, formerly 1st Kapellmeister in Klagenfurt, has held already major guest-conducting positions in Europe? Grimes2 (talk) 12:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
    That's better, but why would you mention Klagenfurt which some will not know, instead of Salzburg which is likely the second-best-known festival on earth? ... + why the also not well known job description Kapellmeister instead of a well-understood "conducted"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  •   New reviewer needed to give a second opinion on the various hooks, and possibly a final approval of this nomination. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Honestly ALT2b sounds too vague, not to mention it doesn't even suggest that she is a woman composer, which I thought was pretty interesting by itself. If we had to use some variation of ALT2 I would have preferred the original version (except reword "made already her debuts" to something else). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Is this more concret? Nothing sensational. Grimes2 (talk) 10:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
User:Narutolovehinata5, very generally: to find something special because a woman did it is sexist (so I was told, and understand). Specifically: this woman hates it, as one of the sources says, in the headline. - Grimes2, striking because of that, + sorry, Linz is provincial compared to Frankfurt. - Moving the whole ALT2c above "do not write below". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the offer, but wait please, - a different reviewer might just like the original. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT2d seems very niche and doesn't seem to appeal to non-classical music fans. As for the original hook, I just checked it and realized that it's 202 characters; as such, it's regrettably been struck due to being over the length limit. If a shortened version of it can be proposed, feel free to do so to allow it to be considered by a reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
187 characters. Grimes2 (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the new hook. My main concern with it is that it seems to be trying to cram in too much information into one hook, but perhaps another reviewer may disagree. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Christoph Strehl

Christoph Strehl in 2011

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC).

I personally prefer ALT0, but the hook is an alternative. Grimes2 (talk) 11:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
My opinion is, that the hook of a unknown person should give more information. Grimes2 (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Acceptable! - I don't care much for any link before the subject, and I don't like to put him in the Mozart-tenor drawer. Three times Mozart ... - if it was Beethoven at least ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I formatted the opera in ALT2 (renamed). No redirect is allowed on the Main page, period, and operas need to be italic. I thought the playing of a magic flute (in English) might be attractive even to readers who never heard of Die Zauberflöte, and I am not willing to compromise with the opera's English title when he sang in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Another thought that went into the original hook: I intentionally didn't say something like "tenor" or "professor" or "opera" in the beginning, to not loose those who hate these words before the key thing is even said. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm still learning. Grimes2 (talk) 19:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Katyayani Shankar Bajpai

5x expanded by $ufyan (talk). Self-nominated at 14:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC).

2021 Slovenian Waters Act referendum

5x expanded by Tone (talk). Self-nominated at 09:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 14Edit

Alfred Fischer Hall

Performers receiving ovations, 10 July 2021

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing found, QPQ done. The fact that it was built as a machinery hall for a coal mine needs to have its relevant reference duplicated after the sentence. Personally I think its past as a machinery hall is more interesting than it being the site of a premiere, and as such I'd suggest that the hook focus solely on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
    When it was the machinery hall it wasn't yet an Alfred Fischer Hall. The name is the name of the present-day event venue, and the best way of saying what kind of venue seems to name a prominent performance held there, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
The current name not being its original name has no bearing on the fact, it doesn't change the fact that the building was built as a machinery hall. The hook could be written something like ALT1 ... that the multipurpose venue Alfred Fischer Hall was originally built in 1912 as a machinery hall for a coal mine? to address your concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Please read the article. It's not an opera venue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
My bad. I have adjusted the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
I like to be specific, and multi-purpose is very vague. I like to give one example rather than say "party conventions, pop concerts and operas", especially when a major event, planned for the Beethoven year 2020, cancelled, postponed, and successfully done, which caused tremendous logistics to get all these notable people - everybody pictured has an article - together a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
"Multi-purpose" is the word used to describe the venue in the lede section, and it wouldn't really be accurate to just use "concert venue" since apparently it's also been used for other kinds of events. I used the word for the hook because that's what's reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
That's all correct, but could still mean a much lower scale, such as poetry readings and meetings of rabbit-raisers clubs. The grandeur of the place is better pictured than described vaguely, and the image needs to connect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

KiHa 183 series

ALT1: ... that you could travel with animals on the Asahiyama Zoo KiHa 183 series service?
ALT2: ... that you could travel with stuffed animals on the Asahiyama Zoo KiHa 183 series service?
  • Reviewed: NA

Created by MiasmaEternal (talk). Self-nominated at 01:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  Y - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  Y
  • Other problems:  N - The trains have animal-themed decour. The hook suggests that there are actual animals on the train.
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   Cool-looking trains that would deserve a spotlight. No immediate evidence of plaigarism, although in that regard I am assuming good faith as all of the sources are in Japanese. A cursory look at what information I can find doesn't suggest that this article is a hoax. Currently there are many paragraphs which do not have sources. If the sources used in the article also provide the information that is in those unsourced paragraphs then the nomination could be made eligible. The hook is somewhat misleading regarding the contents of the article, although not enough that I would reject it out of hand. Not going to reject this as a reviewer who can read Japanese might be able to help this become eligible, and this appears to be the first nomination by the nominator, so WP:IAR may apply in helping this reach DYK. The merge request appears to be the result of a user mistaking this for a variant of an unrelated but similarly named multiple-unit. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Comment: Nominator here - I do agree with the sourcing issue (I'm working on that at the moment). As for the hook, I've added a modified version of the alternate hook above. MiasmaEternalTALK 06:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 15Edit

Kenneth John

  • ... that future newspaper columnist Kenneth John was the first Resident Tutor for the University of the West Indies in Saint Vincent? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "Dr John served as the first Resident Tutor for The University of the West Indies Department of Extra – Mural Studies in St Vincent and the Grenadines from 1964 to 1967."[28]

Created by Joofjoof (talk). Self-nominated at 00:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC).

Osa Maliki

Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 09:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC).

  • Length, date, sourcing, qpq checks out. However, I find that the wording of the hook doesn't catch the essence here. I'd suggest ALT1: "... that Osa Maliki, a former Communist Party of Indonesia member, cooperated with army commander and religious groups in an anti-communist purge inside the Indonesian National Party?" --Soman (talk) 18:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @Soman: Sure, that’d be fine too. Juxlos (talk) 01:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  •   New reviewer needed to complete the review including checking proposed ALT1 hook by first reviewer (original hook has been struck). BlueMoonset (talk) 16:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution

  • Comment: article 1 moved to namespace on 7 June 2021, article 2 on 15 July 2021

Created by SiempreReconozco (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC).

  • SiempreReconozco, the nomination and hook for Kapampangan separatism is, unfortunately, completely ineligible for DYK at this time, having been nominated over a month too late. Should the article become a Good Article in the future, it can be renominated within seven days of being approved.
The nomination for Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution, on the other hand, was nominated in plenty of time, so that nomination can continue. I've removed the separatism article from most of this page; the page should not be moved/renamed even with the removal. I'll call for a reviewer below. In future, unless all the nominated articles can be included in the same hook, please do a separate nomination for each article.

Articles created/expanded on July 16Edit

Gottfried Hornik

  • Reviewed: Donald R. Morris
  • Comment: I should have nominated yesterday, but was out all day, and missed it when returning, sorry.

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC).

Pedro Joaquín Chamorro Barrios

  • ... that while Pedro Joaquín Chamorro Barrios was exiled from Nicaragua and living in Costa Rica in the 1980s, his sister Claudia was there as Nicaragua’s ambassador? (Source: "Pedro Joaquin Chamorro Barrios, who lives in exile in Costa Rica....Two of the four [siblings] live in Costa Rica, assigned there for opposite reasons. Claudia, who will be married Tuesday, is the Nicaraguan Ambassador, charged with defending the Managua regime. Pedro Joaquin works there editing Nicaragua Hoy, and also serves as a spokesman for anti-Sandinista rebels supported by the United States." (NYT)
    • ALT1:... that Pedro Joaquín Chamorro Barrios has been Nicaraguan minister of defense, minister of tourism, ambassador, and a deputy in the National Assembly? (Source: "The Nicaraguan Tourism minister and soon to be head of Defense, Pedro Joaquín Chamorro..." La Nacion; “En 1991-1992 fue Embajador de Nicaragua en la República de China, Taiwán ... En las elecciones presidenciales del 2006 se incorpora a la Alianza Liberal Nicaragüense (ALN), de ese resultado fue electo diputado por el departamento de Managua.”National Assembly biography)
    • ALT2:... that Pedro Joaquín Chamorro Barrios, later Nicaraguan minister of defense, ambassador, and deputy in the the National Assembly, started his career in journalism? Source: Same as for ALT1 plus "After receiving an MBA from INCAE in 1976, worked as a writer and photographer at La Prensa." (Nicaraguan Biographies: A Resource Book)

Moved to mainspace by Innisfree987 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC).

Marcelo Gallardo

  • Comment: Marcelo Gallardo was recently passed as a GA

Improved to Good Article status by Gunt50 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC).


  • ... that the Islamic website Askimam is considered more comprehensive and potentially influential than the combined web resources of al-Azhar and its sympathisers? Source: Gary R Bunt, Islam in the Digital Age: E-Jihad, Online Fatwas and Cyber Islamic Environments, p. 173

Created by TheAafi (talk). Self-nominated at 19:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC).

Long Bow Trilogy

  • ... that the Long Bow Trilogy includes interviews with rural Chinese villagers who were the topic of the director's father's book Fanshen?Source: "When students have first been primed with readings from William Hinton's two classic prose documentaries of life in Long Bow Village (Fanshen [1968] and Shenfan [1984]), the films may be especially rewarding. They put faces to a few familiar names and give us images—of donkeycarts rattling over the tired earth, of bundled babies in bare adobe courtyards—that validate the village Hinton's books have already brought to life in our minds." ([30]

Created by Paragon Deku (talk). Self-nominated at 05:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC).

Frozen II

Improved to Good Article status by Wingwatchers (talk), Chompy Ace (talk), and Pamzeis (talk). Nominated by Pamzeis (talk) at 01:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC).

I have planned to do a FAC for Frozen II after the GAN. I am not sure if it will affect DYK. Wingwatchers (talk) 02:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
WP:FAC only says you can't have peer reviews or GANs at the same time... so I'm not sure either. Pamzeis (talk) 04:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Tobias Adrian

Created by Hanjaf1 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC).

  • Comment I don't think the first or third hooks are appropriate. For 1: it is a primary source. We need a secondary source to say that Covar is "one of the first ways to measure the risk that the financial system could collapse". For 3: The source does not say that the monthly recession indicator is derived from Adrian's work. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • For the first hook, perhaps this is preferable: Hanjaf1 (talk) 16:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

... that IMF economist Tobias Adrian helped devise CoVaR, a method used to stress test banks after the great recession? https://www.economist.com/special-report/2009/05/16/the-revolution-within

Articles created/expanded on July 17Edit

Florian Boesch

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:00, 24 July 2021 (UTC).

Bicellariella ciliata, Crisularia plumosa, Bugulina flabellata, Bugulina turbinata

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   The articles were nominated within 7 days of creation, so they are new. All are longer than 1,500 characters (though Bugulina turbinata narrowly so). Citations are abundant and all sources are accessible and confirm the content. I see no NPOV concerns nor can I imagine there being any. QPQ is done. The hook is short enough and supported by an inline citation in each an article, but I am not convinced that it is "interesting to a broad audience". There is, in my opinion, more to the articles than moss-like animals gently swaying in the water, though I cannot find anything captivating that unites all four. Here is a suggestion:
    ALT1: ... that moss animals Crisularia plumosa and Bugulina flabellata, which form a "turf" alongside Bicellariella ciliata and Bugulina turbinata, start lives as males and females, respectively, but later change sex?
    If this hook is acceptable to Cwmhiraeth, it should be reviewed by another editor. If Cwmhiraeth would like to suggest more alternatives, I will gladly review them. The visibility of B. turbinata's yellow embryos sounds nice, for example. Surtsicna (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: I thought the idea of them forming a lawn-like turf quite interesting, and I created them as a bunch with that idea in mind. How about ALT2? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, I figured you wanted them together, but I doubt "turf" alone would be considered particularly riveting by "a broad audience". I do prefer ALT2 to the original because it is clear to the broad audience that the "turf" organisms are animals. (On a possibly related note, I confess to being professionally biased against actual lawns.) If ALT1 is factually correct and we only differ in preferences, I would suggest leaving the choice of hook to a third editor/another reviewer. The articles pass all the requirements with flying colours! Surtsicna (talk) 12:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: I don't favour ALT1 because the bryozoan is really a colony with both male and female zooids. It is the zooids that change sex, not the whole colony. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


  • ... that Your Computer thought touch-typing software Typequick was "for budding software developers to study and seek to emulate? [32]
    • ALT1:... that the first Australian-designed PC product to be sold with the IBM logo was a Typequick product? [33]

Created by Coin945 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC).

Extended content
  •   This fails several aspects of policy. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
1. There's substantial copy-paste from [34], [35], and [36] (see earwig report here). -- RoySmith (talk) 03:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Earwig's report found "Violation Unlikely", but due to your assertion above I will expound. Referring to the top-listed link in the report - 37.1% similarity - Earwig lists the following bits within the article as being from that source. I would argue these are facts that are difficult to paraphrase without changing the meaning. The other sources contain much fewer snippets than this.--Coin945 (talk) 04:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • "sharply in 1986 when the first export sales were made. Japanese Management Consultant Company purchased the publishing and distribution rights"
  • "the first Australian-designed PC product to be sold with the IBM logo."
  • "learned to touch-type using Typequick, around half of them outside Australia, though the company still had only a handful of office and administrative staff."
  • "Toshiba, Mitsubishi and C. Itoh."
  • "bought 1600 copies of the program"
  • "reach a minimum typing speed of 25 words a minute"
  • "60% of the Japanese computer-managed keyboard training market"
  • " schools, colleges, corporations and the visually impaired"
  • "the keyboard competence of new employees"
  • "An Australian program being used to teach Japanese-language typing"
  • "nominated as the best-known training software in Japan by the Japanese computer journal Nikkei"
2. The image File:UCONN Stamford Building.jpg, noted as "own work" in commons, appears to be downloaded from https://www.business.uconn.edu/category/news/grad/pmba/page/2/ (© University of Connecticut). -- RoySmith (talk) 03:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I trusted that this image was in Creative Commons as it was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. If it is not, I can easily swap it out..--Coin945 (talk) 04:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
3. It also fails WP:NPOV; the overall tone of the article is to describe the company and its products in the best possible light, with numerous mentions of financial successes, positive product reviews, and awards received and no coverage of negative aspects. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • While I received a paid contribution to write this article (which is clearly outlined in the talk page), I did not write it with a bias. If you read through the sources yourself, you will see that there is very little negative coverage in the literature, and I made a note include those which I found. E.g. "Typequick's ‘learn to type’ branding became a misnomer with the introduction of Readquick", Jenny Sinclair of The Age suggested that Typequick was an "apparently banal idea", Australian PC World's Peter Viola disliked its more nonsensical sentences like 'fifi as she jailed Heidi Lee'.--Coin945 (talk) 04:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Additionally, before nominating for DYK I asked user Sergecross73 for their objective opinion on the article's neutrality, and while they weren't able to have an in-depth look at the time, they did note "My quick glance at it didn't show any glaring issues".Coin945 (talk) 11:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Note: Thank you for the review @RoySmith: I have added line breaks to your comments to make them easier to respond to one by one. :)--Coin945 (talk) 04:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Additional Note: I will also add that the reviewer RoySmith's talk page asserts, "I don't think a requirement to disclose goes far enough. The whole concept of being paid to edit Wikipedia on behalf of a client or employer is an inherent COI and should be banned outright.". I fear that ironically this preconception presents a COI issue as it has the potential to colour their review, and I therefore request a second opinion.--Coin945 (talk) 04:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Coin945 I know that you are disappointed, but I'm not sure what else I can say here. In my opinion, this fails WP:NPOV and it is not free of close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations and plagiarism. I saw that you thought my review wasn't very thorough and that I need to complete it. OK, here's the rest of the standard review:
    • It is new enough (create on July 12, submitted on the 17th).
    • Does not appear to have been in ITN or DYK before.
    • It is long enough.
    • Both ALT0 and ALT1 are acceptable hooks.
    • The article is adequately referenced.
    • There are no dispute templates.
    • I don't see any WP:BLP issues. There are a few statements about him personally, but they're all referenced and I'm going to AGF that the references support the statements.
The problem remains that this fails WP:NPOV and fails "does not contain plagiarism or close paraphrasing", as noted in my original review. You stated above that, "these are facts that are difficult to paraphrase without changing the meaning." I do not accept your premise. Certainly you could avoid the close paraphrasing and copying without changing the meaning.
WP:DYKR says the reviewer should fail the review, i.e. apply {{DYKno}}, if the article "requires considerable work before becoming eligible". If it were just the copy-paste problems, I would have marked it {{DYK?no}} ("eligibility requires additional work") because those problems could be fixed with a reasonable amount of work. I believe this article would require "considerable work" to fix the NPOV issues, and thus merits a {{DYKno}}.
As for the quote from my user page, you are correct, I do indeed believe we should not be allowing paid editing at all. However, I accept that it is policy that we do allow it, and frankly, I bend over backwards to accommodate that. You have met the requirements by disclosing your COI, so that is not an issue in this review. The issues are the NPOV and copy-paste problem as outlined above. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
  • @RoySmith: I have addressed your comments above. The article should now be promotable. :) --Coin945 (talk) 02:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
  1. After paraphrasing, Earwig's Copyvio Detector now says: "Violation Unlikely 7.4% similarity".
  2. The image has now been switched for one available under the Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication.
  3. The sentence "Minor criticism had been offered to Typequick's use of nonsensical sentences" has been added to both the intro and the Critical Reception intro paragraph to highlight the negative coverage that exists. The literature sharply shews toward positive coverage so it would be WP:OR to give more weight to what proportionally exists.
  • Official request for second review: While I have addressed RoySmith's points one by one and requested a follow-up, they have decided not to continue with their review. I believe this is unreasonable as there is concrete evidence that contradicts their statements regarding the article's eligibility. The article does not plagarise (the Earwig report and Creative Commons image) or have a bias (neutral well-sourced article; positive-slanted literature which proportinally effects Critical Reception section). RoySmith has decided against taking this evidence into account and has instead stuck with their original judgement. For this reason I officially request that RoySmith's review is closed and a second review is conducted.--Coin945 (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 18Edit

Geoffrey Guy

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 17:18, 24 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Date and length fine. However @Whispyhistory:, I can't see the claim in the source. IT says first to get a licence but not first to develop weed based medicine. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing. Just need that fixed and I'll have another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for reviewing @The C of E:...will go through article again and ping you back if that is okay with you. Whispyhistory (talk) 04:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

1271 Avenue of the Americas

1271 Avenue of the Americas

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 05:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 19Edit

Articles created/expanded on July 20Edit

Articles created/expanded on July 21Edit

Chuck McMann

  • Reviewed: Great George Street
  • Comment: Eligible per Rule 1d, because it is only scheduled to appear in the "Recent Deaths" section of ITN and not as a bold link.

5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC).

Seventh East Press

A shoe mirror
  • ... that the independent student newspaper, Seventh East Press, discussed the campus ban of the sale of shoe mirrors (example pictured) in their April Fools' Day issue? Source: "Shoe-mirrors, part of a local fad, have been determined incompatible with the BYU Honor Code, according to Standards official Carmichael Whitaker. In accordance with this recent determination, shoe-mirrors will no longer be sold in the BYU bookstore" April Fool's day issue on archive.org

Created by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC).

Eli Bebout

5x expanded by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC).

  • This is only a comment and not a review, but I would suggest the hook be reworded to prevent redundancy (it mentions "Wyoming House of Representatives" twice in quick succession). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Serpent seed

  • ... that the serpent seed is a fringe belief that claims the Serpent mated with Eve in the Garden of Eden, and their offspring was Cain?Source: "Christian Identity". Anti-Defamation League. "Many [within Christian Identity] consider Jews to be the Satanic offspring of Eve and the Serpent, while non-whites are "mud peoples" created before Adam and Eve. Its virulent racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are usually accompanied by extreme anti-government sentiments."
    • ALT1:... that the Gnostic Gospel of Philip (c. 350) contains a version of serpent seed idea that Eve mated with the Serpent and their offspring was Cain? Source: Gospel of Philip 61:5-10: First adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he (Cain) was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery.
  • Comment: expansion: 809 [37] to 4965 [38] words. This article may not be appropriate for front page... I dunno.. see what you think. Its understandable if you decline it.

5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 22Edit

Claus Guth

Claus Guth in 2004
  • Reviewed: Kokawa-dera Engi Emaki
  • Comment: If the Poulenc gets mentioned for the conductor we can turn to the Faust award, but it is in danger. - Sorry, I should have nominated yesterday but had a very busy day.

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 09:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC).

Thank you for the offer, but I believe that it would be better to link to an opera than the award, and also that Der Faust is not as well known as the Grammies. Anyway, if that line, perhaps:
ALT1a: ... that Claus Guth (pictured), recognised internationally since he directed the 1999 premiere of Berio's Cronaca del luogo at the Salzburg Festival, later received two Faust awards? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

NZS 3604

Created by Lcmortensen (talk). Self-nominated at 08:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC).

Doug Sahm

Sahm in 1974

Improved to Good Article status by GDuwen (talk). Self-nominated at 16:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 23Edit

Granny (sea anemone)

Granny, settled on a limpet
  • ... that one night in 1857 Granny (pictured) gave birth to 240 offspring? Source: In article at "Personal life", first paragraph. "In the spring of 1857, after remaining unproductive for many years, it, in the course of a single night, gave birth to a progeny of 240 living young actiniae." M'Bain (1878), p. 286 also Swinney (2007), p. 221 but you probably need Wikipedia Library to access it.
    • ALT1:... that Granny the sea anemone (pictured) was "arguably the most famous and celebrated cnidarian of all time"? Source: In article at "Death", last sentence. "Granny was, and remains, arguably the most famous and celebrated cnidarian of all time." Swinney (2007), p. 219 – first page - but you probably need Wikipedia Library to access it.
    • ALT2:... that, except when giving birth, Granny (pictured) lived alone in a glass jar from 1828 until her death in 1887? Source: In article at "Personal life", first paragraph. "'Granny' died today. Since August 1828 'she' had lived in a small glass jar, that is, for the long period of 59 years. … R. Lindsay, Aug 5th, 1887" Swinney (2007), p. 223 quoting Lindsay (1887). I can no longer find the reference saying "except when giving birth" but I suppose the exception is is obvious. However, here is an example of the young being removed: "… two of the nine actiniae produced by 'Granny' … were put into a separate glass vessel" M’Bain (1878) p. 287
    • ALT3:... that Granny (pictured) lived in a glass jar from 1828 until her death in 1887? Source: In article at "Personal life", first paragraph. "'Granny' died today. Since August 1828 'she' had lived in a small glass jar, that is, for the long period of 59 years. … R. Lindsay, Aug 5th, 1887" Swinney (2007), p. 223 quoting Lindsay (1887).

Created by Thincat (talk). Self-nominated at 08:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC).


Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 27 July 2021 (UTC).

Duke of Sussex, Acton Green

Ornamental ironwork at the Duke of Sussex

Created by Chiswick Chap (talk). Self-nominated at 14:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC).

Hurricane Pali

Improved to Good Article status by LightandDark2000 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 23 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 24Edit

Li Fai

  • Comment: Source requires subscription to access

Created by Yinglong999 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:33, 24 July 2021 (UTC).

History of the Jews in Odessa

  • ... that Odessa's Rabbi Berish ben Yisrael Usher was beaten to death by several Jews because they were unhappy with the rabbi's strict approach to the observance of Jewish law? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [42] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created/expanded by Ratnahastin (talk). Self-nominated at 07:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 25Edit

Stylocheilus striatus

  • ... that reproductive success in the lined sea hare can be reduced by noise pollution? Source: "Anthropogenic noise playback impairs embryonic development and increases mortality in a marine invertebrate".

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 19:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 26Edit

Dance in Suriname

Dancing pallbearers in Suriname
  • ... that there is an annual holiday for dancing pallbearers in Suriname (pictured)? Source in Dutch[43]
    • ALT1:... that Javanese dancers in Suriname have adopted movements from martial arts and dance to Creole kaseko music? Source: Lie A Ling, Marlène Aminah (1992). "Dans". In van Binnendijk, Chandra; Faber, Paul (eds.). Sranan, Cultur in Suriname (in Dutch). Amsterdam: Koninklijk Instituut voor de Tropen. pp. 111–112. ISBN 9789068322378.
    • ALT2:... that a style of jazz ballet developed in Suriname combines Afro-Caribbean rhythms with Indian hand, foot and head movements? Source in Dutch[44]

Moved to mainspace by Ymnes (talk) and Joofjoof (talk). Nominated by Joofjoof (talk) at 10:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC).

Baalshillem II

The Baalshillem Temple Boy votive statue.

Created by Elias Ziade (talk). Self-nominated at 11:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 27Edit

Neville Armstrong, Charles Spearman Armstrong

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 09:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Herschel Albert Prins

  • ... that criminologist Herschel Prins asked whether young Afro-Caribbean men were "big, black and dangerous?"
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Whispyhistory (talk), Edwardx (talk), and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 13:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Vincent Figgins

  • ... that when starting his business, Vincent Figgins needed help from the mysterious "Black Man"? "No one knew his address; but he was supposed to be a tall man, who came in a mysterious way occasionally, whose name no one knew, but he went by the sobriquet of 'The Black Man'. This old gentleman, a very clever mechanic, lived to be a pensioner on my father's bounty—gratitude is perhaps the better word. I knew him and could never understand the origin of his sobriquet, unless Black was meant for dark, mysterious, from the manner of his coming and going", from Remarks by Vincent Figgins II.

Improved to Good Article status by Blythwood (talk). Self-nominated at 16:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC).


The Unisphere
  • ... that the Unisphere (pictured) was built for free? Source: "Unisphere". New York City Department of Parks and Recreation.
    • ALT1:... that the Unisphere (pictured), the icon of the 1964 New York World's Fair, was built for free? Source: "Unisphere". New York City Department of Parks and Recreation.
    • ALT2:... that the Unisphere (pictured) was designed based on a doodle on the back of an envelope? Source: Campanella, Thomas J. (September 11, 2010). "Leisure & Arts -- Architecture: Icon of a Fair, a Borough, the World". The Wall Street Journal. p. W.13. ISSN 0099-9660. ProQuest 750198061.
    • ALT3:... that the Unisphere (pictured), now a New York City landmark, was derided as a "silly idea" when it was planned? Source: (1) Stern, Robert A. M.; Mellins, Thomas; Fishman, David (1995). New York 1960: Architecture and Urbanism Between the Second World War and the Bicentennial. New York: Monacelli Press. p. 1033. (2) "Neighborhood Report: Flushing Meadows - Corona Park; Safe at Last". The New York Times. May 14, 1995. p. 13.8.
    • ALT4:... that the Unisphere (pictured), now a New York City landmark, was designed based on a doodle on the back of an envelope? Source: See ALT2 and ALT3
    • ALT5:... that the Unisphere (pictured), now a New York City landmark, was built for free? Source: See ALT1 and ALT3

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 23:29, 27 July 2021 (UTC).

President of Zambia

Former acting President Guy Scott

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 14:00, 27 July 2021 (UTC).

1873–74 Scottish Cup

  • Reviewed: I have not nominated an article for DYK before so I will familiarise myself with the reviewing guide before looking at another nomination. Will post here once done.

Improved to Good Article status by Stevie fae Scotland (talk). Self-nominated at 09:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC).

  • I have struck ALT0 as it's over the 200 character limit for hooks. In its place, I am suggesting shortened versions below:
ALT2 ... that of the 16 teams to enter the 1873–74 Scottish Cup, only Dumbarton, Kilmarnock and Queen's Park still regularly compete in the competition?
ALT2a ... that of the 16 teams to enter the inaugural Scottish Cup, only Dumbarton, Kilmarnock and Queen's Park still regularly compete in the competition?
In addition, ALT1 is a bit too complicated and could probably just be limited to mentioning that McPherson scored the first Scottish Cup hat-trick, without mentioning the final score. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback, I'll remember that for future nominations. From your comments, I think ALT2a would work best. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 28Edit

British Club (Bangkok)

The British Club Bangkok
  • ... that Bangkok's British Club (1912 postcard pictured) was founded following a dispute among members of the main Westerners' social club at the time? Source: "History does not record what the ‘dispute’ was, that led to a serious falling out amongst its members only that on 24th April 1903 senior members of the United Club, who were British businessmen and diplomatic civil servants, formed the most British of entities, “a committee”, to establish a British Club in Bangkok, in the style enjoyed by their peers in the British Empire throughout the world."[45]
    • ALT1:... that following World War II, members of Bangkok's British Club were able to reclaim the building (1912 postcard pictured) thanks to a mortgage that helped preserve its land deeds? Source: "After the end of the Second World War, there was some local confusion over the ownership of the premises, which was initially given to the YMCA, fortunately the Club was lucky in that its two land deeds (‘chanotes’) were mortgaged to the Hongkong & Shanghai Bank and thus survived the war." (same source)

Created by Paul_012 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Statue of Ivan Konev in Prague

The statue in 2007

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC).

Alexander Gordon (brewer), Polhollick Bridge

The Pollhollick bridge

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC).

Current nominationsEdit

Articles created/expanded on July 29Edit

Korakou culture

Stairway at the House of the Tiles
  • ... that the Greek Korakou culture had two storey buildings with internal stairs over 4,000 years ago? Source: "...these conform to a single basic design, recently christened the “{Corridor House}”, which may be defined as follows: a rectangular, free-standing, two-storeyed structure characterized by a linear series of square to rectangular halls at the core and flanked on the long sides by corridors which also serve as stairwells", from Rutter, Jeremy, "The Eutresis and Korakou Cultures of Early Helladic I-II", brewinate, January 2017

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 23:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Philinopsis speciosa

  • ... that the sea slug Philinopsis speciosa wraps the mucus strand containing its eggs around its head? Source: "P. speciosa enroule ce filament autour de sa tête formant un tube de filaments embrouillés. Lorsqu’il termine de pondre, il enlève sa tête du cylindre ainsi produit et ancre le bout du filament dans les fonds sablo-vaseux."

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Electoral history of Bill Clinton

President Bill Clinton during his 1997 inaugural parade
  • Reviewed: Buffalo, New York
  • Comment: Special date request – Requesting this article to appear as the lead hook with image (if possible) on August 19, 2021, the 75th birthday of President Bill Clinton! Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
    I didn't find a better way of linking the article in the hook. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

5x expanded by Kavyansh.Singh (talk). Self-nominated at 18:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

The Fifth Doll

  • ... that Charlie N. Holmberg wrote The Fifth Doll after developing a system of magic for Russian nesting dolls? Source: "she came across her set of Russian nesting dolls. Thinking about a magic system involving these dolls inspired Holmberg — and she decided to keep that idea to herself. She floated it by her agent the next week and her agent loved it, and before long her editor was asking for a synopsis." ([46])
    • ALT1:... that Charlie N. Holmberg's idea for The Fifth Doll began with a writing exercise to develop a system of magic for a household item? Source: "she wandered around her house writing down random objects like salt, thread, utensils, and planned to give each of her students one of these objects to write a magic system about. Then, she came across her set of Russian nesting dolls. Thinking about a magic system involving these dolls inspired Holmberg — and she decided to keep that idea to herself. She floated it by her agent the next week and her agent loved it, and before long her editor was asking for a synopsis." ([47])

Created by Cstickel(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 14:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC).

Robert M. Briggs

  • ... that Beetown, Wisconsin merchant Robert M. Briggs secured re-election to the Wisconsin State Assembly promising that a new railroad would run double tracks by Beetown "like two rows of brass buttons on a double-breasted vest"? Source: Butterfield, C. W. History of Grant County, Wisconsin, containing an account of its settlement... etc. etc. Chicago: Western Historical Society, 1881; p. 573
    • ALT1:... that Robert M. Briggs won re-election to the State Assembly promising that a new railroad would run double tracks by Beetown, Wisconsin "like two rows of brass buttons on a double-breasted vest"? Source: Butterfield, C. W. History of Grant County, Wisconsin, containing an account of its settlement... etc. etc. Chicago: Western Historical Society, 1881; p. 573

Created/expanded by Orangemike (talk). Self-nominated at 17:31, 29 July 2021 (UTC).

Piano Pieces

  • ... that Jerome Robbins planned to have his ballet Piano Pieces to be about dancers rehearsing a fictitious ballet, but changed the theme to be about the joy of dancing? Source: offline

5x expanded by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC).

Digimon Adventure (film)

Mamoru Hosoda

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:19, 29 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 30Edit

Siam Electricity Company

  • ... that in addition to running Bangkok's first power station, the Siam Electricity Company also operated half the city's tram lines and a fire brigade? Source: "It was Thailand’s first power plant and first office of Siam Electricity Co., Ltd. which operated electricity generation and distribution."[48] "Many of those duties and responsibilities usually associated with municipal enterprise are in Bangkok undertaken by the Siam Electricity Company... They contract with the Government to water certain of the streets; they supply the whole of the city with electric light, own and operate one-half of the tramways... and, in addition, are responsible for the equipment and maintenance of a fire brigade."[49]

Created by Paul_012 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Anadolu Shipyard

  • ... that Turkey's Anadolu Shipyard signed a contract with India's Hindustan Shipyard to transfer technology for the building of five fleet support ships for the Indian Navy? Source: "The project, estimated to cost between $1.5 billion and $2 billion, will involve transfer of technology from Anadolu Shipyard, part of the TAIS consortium of Turkey, with which HSL signed an agreement for technical collaboration last year.", "Visakhapatnam-based Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) is expecting an order from the Indian Navy by the year end for building five mammoth naval support vessels with transfer of technology from a Turkish shipbuilding firm, people familiar with the developments said on Monday." [50]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Thomas Lord Busby

Waters, by Busby

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 08:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Mairin Mitchell

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Meme Man

Created by Yitzilitt (talk). Self-nominated at 03:20, 1 August 2021 (UTC).

James B. Duke House

Duke House

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC).

Scouring (textiles)

Detail of engraving showing Scotswomen singing a waulking song while walking or fulling cloth, 1772 (from Pennant's Tour).

Created/expanded by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 05:47, 30 July 2021 (UTC).

Waeapo River

  • ... that over 10,000 political prisoners in Indonesia were interned in the Waeapo River valley in Buru? Source: [52]
  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: I would link an article about the Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66, but these are the political prisoners interned 4-6 years after the killings. Don't seem to see the Buru exiles being mentioned there.

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 06:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   Don't see the hook fact in the article (no mention of "10,000", only "thousands of political prisoners were incarcerated in Buru..."). Source is inaccessible to me, so which one is it? Also awaiting QPQ. Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 08:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 31Edit

SS Alpena (1942)

SS Alpena

Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self-nominated at 23:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC).

  •   @Michael Barera: The article is new and long enough, and within policy with lots of references. However, I think it needs to be structured better - with some headers to break things up, and the ordering of points checked - for example, the reasons why the ship was shortened need to come before how the shortening was done. With the hook, both sound good and interesting - I wonder if you could combine them both into a single hook? Also, a few other content requests: could you name the other 4 identical ships in the second paragraph? With the paragraph with 'she was the oldest active steamship' in it, could you also list the years the other ships were built, since that's a relevant fact for the point of this paragraph? And in the paragraph about the 2015 fire, could you add whether she was restored afterwards or not (presumably it was, but it's not clear)? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Dietrich Roache

  • ... that the Australian rugby sevens player Dietrich Roache kept a sprinter out of the Australian Olympic team with his speed? Source: Adelaide Now

Created by Lugnuts (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 20:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC).

Fred Marples

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 18:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC).

  • I have struck ALT2 since the 1924 Canadian Olympic delegation was the second largest team to date, not the largest. I will proposed some reworded versions of ALT1. Flibirigit (talk) 13:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Battlefield Vegas

Created by Cunard (talk). Self-nominated at 05:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 1Edit

Robert Marquis

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:33, 5 August 2021 (UTC).

Zuijin Teiki Emaki

Zuijin Teiki Emaki, portrait four
  • ... that the Zuijin Teiki Emaki, a 13th century Japanese painted handscroll (pictured), presents nine equestrian portraits of some of the Imperial Guards who protected the Daijō Tennō (retired emperor) ...? Source: Miya, Tsugio (1978). 天子摂関御影・公家列影図・中殿御会図・隨身庭騎絵卷 [Tenno Sekkan Mikage, Koya Retsukagezu, Nakaden Gokaizu, Zuijin Teiki Emaki], pp. 9–14)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: TBA

Created by Bahnfrend (talk). Self-nominated at 01:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Hayden Bridge (Springfield, Oregon)

Created/expanded by Tyrone Madera (talk). Self-nominated at 00:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC).

Quine–Putnam indispensability argument

  • ... that some philosophers of mathematics think that the life cycle of a species of cicadas is a good argument for the existence of numbers?
    Source: "According to this line of thought, we ought to believe in electrons, say, not because they are indispensable to our best scientific theories but because they are indispensable in a very specific way: they are explanatorily indispensable. If mathematics could be shown to contribute to scientific explanations in this way, mathematical realism would again be on par with scientific realism [...] Prime-numbered life cycles mean that the Magicicadas avoid competition, potential predators, and hybridisation. The idea is quite simple: because prime numbers have no non-trivial factors, there are very few other life cycles that can be synchronised with a prime-numbered life cycle. The Magicicadas thus have an effective avoidance strategy that, under certain conditions, will be selected for. While the explanation being advanced involves biology (e.g. evolutionary theory, theories of competition and predation), a crucial part of the explanation comes from number theory, namely, the fundamental fact about prime numbers. Baker (2005) argues that this is a genuinely mathematical explanation of a biological fact." [54]

Converted from a redirect by Alduin2000 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:33, 1 August 2021 (UTC).

  • Comment: Added ALT2, a more serious wording as an alternative to the main hook proposal. Alduin2000 (talk) 00:09, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Textile bleaching

Early method of bleaching cotton and linen goods on lawns.

5x expanded by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 10:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC).

Maria Komnene, Queen of Jerusalem

Detail of a 13th-century French miniature
  • ... that Queen Maria Comnena (pictured) abducted her daughter and coerced her into divorcing to place her on the throne of Jerusalem?
    Source: "Maria Comnena and a group of nobles ... abducted her ... Maria set out to persuade her to agree to be parted from Humphrey." (Riley-Smith 1973)
    • ALT1:... that through scheming and ruthlessness Maria Comnena (pictured) went from a powerless queen to a political leader and kingmaker?
    • ALT2:... that the account of Saladin receiving banquet dishes in return for not bombarding royal newlyweds besieged at Kerak probably comes from the bride's mother, Queen Maria Comnena (pictured)?
      Source: "The most vivid account of the siege is that of Ernoul, which probably derives from the bride’s mother, Maria Comnena, wife of Ernoul’s patron, Balian of Ibelin. This relates how, when the siege began, Stephanie de Milly sent food to Saladin from the wedding banquet, and he courteously instructed his engineers not to range their mangonels on the tower in which the bride and groom were lodged." (Hamilton 2005)
  • Reviewed: Bicellariella ciliata
  • Comment: The image is the highest resolution miniature reproduction I have seen, and it offers an opportunity to have a woman depicted on the Main Page. ALT2 is arguably the most interesting hook, but the first two hooks focus more on the subject. I also hope that the expansion or GA promotion of another article (e.g. Stephanie of Milly or Siege of Kerak) might provide a more apt opportunity for ALT2. I am offering it here in case a fault is found in the first two hooks.

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 21:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC).

  • Hi there Surtsicna, I will be going over your article and will report back shortly. el.ziade (talkallam) 11:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  ?
  • Interesting:  ?

QPQ:  ?
Overall:   You refer many times in the article to (Hamilton 2000), (Runciman 1999), (Hodgson 2007), (Riley-Smith 1973), these works aren't in the bibliography list. Please fix this first. el.ziade (talkallam) 11:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I have fixed that embarrassing bibliography blunder. Surtsicna (talk) 12:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 2Edit

Payne Whitney House

Payne Whitney House

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 23:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  Y
  • Interesting:  Y
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ:  N - ?
Overall:   Article was recently expanded 5x, is long enough and well sourced. Earwig picked up no copyvio outside of quotes and other false positives. All of the hooks seem interesting and are cited. QPQ is pending. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

One Vanderbilt

One Vanderbilt

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 19:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC).


DOMELRE refrigerator c. 1914

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 3Edit

Balloon popping

  • ... that limonene, a compound found in orange peels, can cause balloon popping based on the "like dissolve like" principle? Source: "Like limonene, rubber is a hydrocarbon (Figure 2), so it’s non-polar as well. It is well known by chemists that non-polar substances dissolve well in other non-polar substances (we like to say that “like dissolves like”)." ([1])
    • ALT1:... that limonene, a compound found in orange peels, can't cause balloon popping if there is some twist process to the rubber called vulcanization? Source: "When a balloon made of vulcanized rubber is squirted with limonene or an orange peel, it doesn’t break." ([1])
  • Comment: It is interesting that the balloon pop because of the "like dissolve like" principle, some people think about citrus and will only think about acid.

Created/expanded by Teetee taw (talk) and Taweetham (talk). Nominated by U6181299 (talk) at 09:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC).

Columbia Eneutseak

Columbia Eneutseak and whip

Created by Penny Richards (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 10:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Song Kok Hoo

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 09:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Bronwyn Law-Viljoen

  • ... that professor Bronwyn Law-Viljoen has been involved in editing multiple books on the architectural history of the Constitutional Court of South Africa? Source: "Now Bronwyn Law-Viljoen, who edited the earlier David Krut publication on the building of the court, Light on a Hill, has put together an elegant volume that combines photographs of the artworks collected in the court and the pieces that are part of its construction. There are also essays by Judge Albie Sachs and the architects, and explanations by many of the artists of the processes involved in the creation of the works." (Showcasing art and justice - News24)

Created by Terry Kurgan (talk) and Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 21:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 4Edit

Cu hulu

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 06:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC).

American Staghound

American Staghound

Created by Cavalryman (talk). Self-nominated at 00:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC).

Yerilda Zapata

  • Reviewed: GirlsDoPorn
  • Comment: An Olympics-adjacent hook, but Rojas currently on MP at ITN so it might be better to hold this until after that rolls off/is perhaps removed. Currently phrased to fill a quirky slot, since there haven't been many of those recently, but feel free to suggest other hooks.

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 15:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

The Witcher (Dark Horse Comics)

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 08:20, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

James Rorke

  • ... that Natal frontier trader James Rorke specified that he be buried under 3 feet (0.91 m) of concrete because he feared Zulu graverobbers? "in accordance with Rorke's final wishes, his body was placed in a rough wooden coffin and buried under a yard of concrete. Rorke fully understood the Zulu penchant for excavating European graves for 'treasure' or body parts for their 'muti' or medicine" from page 18 of: Greaves, Adrian (2012). Rorke's Drift. Orion. ISBN 978-1-78022-497-8.

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 07:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Division of Industrial Hygiene

A 1941 film about the Division of Industrial Hygiene. Click to play an excerpt.
Source: "Building 2 contained the first laboratories in the United States built solely for the study of industrial hygiene in the nation." [56], p. 30; "The DOH now occupies... a converted warehouse building in Cincinnati" [57], p. 201; "Unfortunately, during the 1950s occupational health was not a major concern. Most Americans in the 1950s were uninterested in occupational health." [58], p.17
  • Reviewed: Ian Fraser Muir
  • Comment: The Division of Industrial Hygiene is the direct predecessor of NIOSH. The article is entirely historical, but I still request an experienced reviewer to check for COI issues.

Moved to mainspace by John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk). Self-nominated at 04:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

American supply in the Siegfried Line campaign

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 5Edit


Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 08:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC).

Special occasion holding areaEdit

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